How long can Starmer survive? Getting popcorn ready 🍿🍿

AGAA4

The witch hunt for Starmer when he has only been guilty of poor judgement and believing his advisors is ridiculous compared to the guilt of AMW and Mandelson.
It's also annoying that the US perpetrators of these crimes are being protected.
I didn't vote Labour and have not been impressed so far but feel that the most guilty in all this are getting away with it.
It seems unfair that the few are taking a whipping for the many.

I think the whole thing will all 3 of them is far from over.

MayBee70

Iam64

Exactly Maramia, decent man may lose his job. Others just crack on

Farage is keeping a low profile isn’t he. Usually on tv every day giving his opinion on everything but currently having to lie low…

As far as I know, he is doing a live conference right now. Or has just done one.

Its not just Mandelson left wing MPs have been sharpening knives for months.

fancythat

MayBee70

Iam64

Exactly Maramia, decent man may lose his job. Others just crack on

Farage is keeping a low profile isn’t he. Usually on tv every day giving his opinion on everything but currently having to lie low…

As far as I know, he is doing a live conference right now. Or has just done one.

Is that a news conference or preaching to the converted?

MayBee70

Iam64

Exactly Maramia, decent man may lose his job. Others just crack on

Farage is keeping a low profile isn’t he. Usually on tv every day giving his opinion on everything but currently having to lie low…

Hardly. He was at the Reform rally in Birmingham today with thousands of people and his team and spoke for at least an hour. TV channels were there and he answered all their questions.

Bet you can’t wait for him to be PM …

MayBee70

fancythat

MayBee70

Iam64

Exactly Maramia, decent man may lose his job. Others just crack on

Farage is keeping a low profile isn’t he. Usually on tv every day giving his opinion on everything but currently having to lie low…

As far as I know, he is doing a live conference right now. Or has just done one.

Is that a news conference or preaching to the converted?

no idea

But brexit was a result of democracy, in fact I would say it was one of the clearest examples of democracy in recent times.

Hmmm. Cambridge Analytica? Advertising targeted at those deemed to be the most vulnerable to it and which no-one else saw? No opportunity to challenge its message?

I prefer my democracy to be the result of information available for all to see and to be able to present counter arguments...

There was every opportunity for the remain side to present their argument well ( they didnt), a significant section of the population have been trying to get their message over for over a decade now, not listening has made everything about a hundred times worse.
I am also not keen on this whole 'but you will get Farage' narrative ( this isn't aimed at you maizie or any particular individual) but I don't want to vote for the labour party ( which now appears to hold some values alien to me) just because they are not Farage. That isn't enough.

MayBee70

Bet you can’t wait for him to be PM …

No need for that but anybody is better than Starmer.

Of course they’re not! Farage and his colleagues would be disastrous for the UK.

Thankfully, that isn’t going to happen. Even if KS is replaced, there will not be a general election until it’s due.

Perhaps you've not heard of Cambtidge Analytica and the 'dark' adverts, Galaxy?

In a democracy information should be available to all 'sides'. Then it can be debated openly.

The merits and demerits of Brexit weren’t presented well by either side at the time.

Starmer isn’t in a shaky position now solely because of the Mandelson debacle but rather a whole raft of poor decisions making him really unpopular.

He survived yesterday but that’s likely to be that the upcoming local elections in May could be bad for Labour and a new PM wouldn’t want that on his watch, so they’ll let him stay for now and wait to see what happens.

Oh. Going to write the same on here as another thread.

Could all the local elections get cancelled?

No, most of them will be happening but some can be cancelled due to boundary changes.

fancythat

Oh. Going to write the same on here as another thread.

Could all the local elections get cancelled?

Who on earth would they stop all the local elections? Starmer isn’t Trump.

Oreo

He survived yesterday but that’s likely to be that the upcoming local elections in May could be bad for Labour and a new PM wouldn’t want that on his watch, so they’ll let him stay for now and wait to see what happens.

I think Starmer will get a stay of execution until then. He clearly is going to cling on for as long as possible. He even put a spanner in the works for clearing the way for Andy Burnham to contest a seat which would give him a shot at any leadership race. It concerns me greatly that the many issues that need to be addressed in our country are simmering away on the back burner while he gallivants around the world and has his mind occupied on surviving the Epstein mess.

MayBee70

fancythat

Oh. Going to write the same on here as another thread.

Could all the local elections get cancelled?

Who on earth would they stop all the local elections? Starmer isn’t Trump.

Because they dont fancy knowing the results!

I noticed messages of support for Starmer yesterday from junior Labour members but none from senior members that I could see.

I also saw a couple of them were asked by reporters if they had been TOLD to send messages because they were all sent within minutes of each other. Neither answered the question but waffled on about other stuff. The timing made me think they were instructed to send supportive messages as they were all similarly worded.
I think Starmer is on borrowed time.

You must have been looking in the wrong place Primrose53, because apart from the cabinet, the Tribune Group of MPs also backed him, and they are very influential.

I live in a two tier Local authority and totally understand why it needs to be reorganised, the current system is wasteful and confusing. FWIW The 63 LAs that are undergoing reorganisation were asked to decide whether to postpone their elections in 2026, 29 wanted to postpone and two thirds of those are currently labour controlled. The vast majority of the 136 LAs will go ahead with elections. Frankly to go ahead with elections in those LAs that are reorganising IMO is wasting public money at a time when the LAs are already struggling with debt as a result of the 14 years of austerity under the Tories.

foxie48

I live in a two tier Local authority and totally understand why it needs to be reorganised, the current system is wasteful and confusing. FWIW The 63 LAs that are undergoing reorganisation were asked to decide whether to postpone their elections in 2026, 29 wanted to postpone and two thirds of those are currently labour controlled. The vast majority of the 136 LAs will go ahead with elections. Frankly to go ahead with elections in those LAs that are reorganising IMO is wasting public money at a time when the LAs are already struggling with debt as a result of the 14 years of austerity under the Tories.

I absolutely agree - I also live in a two tier authority - Conservative CC and Lib Dem DC. It would have been an expensive distraction to have elections this year. I’m glad my councils made the decision not to. I’m looking forward to the new system

foxie48

I live in a two tier Local authority and totally understand why it needs to be reorganised, the current system is wasteful and confusing. FWIW The 63 LAs that are undergoing reorganisation were asked to decide whether to postpone their elections in 2026, 29 wanted to postpone and two thirds of those are currently labour controlled. The vast majority of the 136 LAs will go ahead with elections. Frankly to go ahead with elections in those LAs that are reorganising IMO is wasting public money at a time when the LAs are already struggling with debt as a result of the 14 years of austerity under the Tories.

Thanks foxie48, that really gives perspective to the whole operation.

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