Future of the Monarchy

Are you a teacher or a teaching assistant or another job in a school Jane Judge as the salaries in ‘education’ vary widely.
Teachers do not require food banks, neither do nurses.

JaneJudge

Oreo

What really annoys me is when people talk of teachers and nurses as if they only earn pennies and have to use food banks.
There are always instances of hardship that can occur but those professionals mentioned can pay their way in most circumstances.

I work in education and I wouldn’t be able to pay rent let alone mortgage on my single salary

Why should I feel sorry for this family?

I have no idea why ask me?

Oreo

What really annoys me is when people talk of teachers and nurses as if they only earn pennies and have to use food banks.
There are always instances of hardship that can occur but those professionals mentioned can pay their way in most circumstances.

I work in education and I wouldn’t be able to pay rent let alone mortgage on my single salary

Why should I feel sorry for this family?

winterwhite

I don’t find the public denouncing of AMW by his brother ànd nephew particularly attractive. Looks too much like trying to save their own skins, which I suppose it is. IMO better to have maintained total silence.

In what way is it denouncing them by offering to fully co-operate with investigators?

Had he said nothing has would have been criticised by posters for hiding information and the knives would be out suggesting he had some involvement.

Tails he loses, heads he doesn't win.

I don’t find the public denouncing of AMW by his brother ànd nephew particularly attractive. Looks too much like trying to save their own skins, which I suppose it is. IMO better to have maintained total silence.

The RF do a good job at promoting the UK around the world, help tourism and act as diplomats.
Let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Whitewavemark2

Why on Earth getting rid of a monarch means that we are in danger of becoming a dictatorship of a communist economy? A monarchy does not prevent that from happening!

Countries in Europe have got along ok after ridding themselves of their monarchy.

It doesn’t nor did I suggest it did.
I was talking to those who were comparing what teachers and nurses earn with the wealthy and privileged.

Why on Earth getting rid of a monarch means that we are in danger of becoming a dictatorship of a communist economy? A monarchy does not prevent that from happening!

Countries in Europe have got along ok after ridding themselves of their monarchy.

Oh come on please don’t compare nurses working all hours God sends to some of these rich parasites There’s a happy in between

The nurses and teachers I know who live within their means seem to do fine and certainly don’t use food banks.
They have pretty nice cars and holidays too.

Tuliptree

This thread is not going to be a real discussion is it? I’ll go back to the similar one on MN

Rather patronising Tuliptree: we are not all sentimental royalists.

Before Charles finally became king, I kept reading that he would streamline and modernise the monarchy, the same things are now being said about William. When the time came, he had a bigger and more lavish coronation than Queen Elizabeth and he has retained all the elaborate ceremonial stuff and some.

Despite the fact that, along with many other GNs, I was born before Queen Elizabeth came to the throne, I belong to quite a large group of people who resent tax payers' money being used to fund the anachronistic, entitled lifestyle enjoyed by too many of the royals for no other reason than they were born into the firm. To put it more simply, I do not believe that hereditary wealth and privilege on such a vast scale should be massively subsidised by the tax payer. I also find the links with the armed forces, the dressing up in silly uniforms and the mass military displays of personnel and deadly weapons sickening.

Recent revelations have shown that the late Queen rigorously connived in covering up the wrongdoings of Andy. I reminded of a quote from 'Animal Farm' by George Orwell "All animals (in the eyes of the law) are equal but some are more equal than others." I added the bracketed statement and I stand by this despite King Charles's recent pronouncement to the contrary.

Despite strenuous efforts and cover ups over the years, enough has leaked out to convince me that there is something rotten at the core of the royal family. Since the abdication of Edward VIII, a known Nazi sympathiser, there have been various scandals the main ones relating to Princess Margaret, Charles's 'close friendship' with Jimmy Savile his long standing affair with Camilla which started before his marriage, continued throughout and led to the scandalous treatment of Princess Diana.

I really can't foresee the future of the monarchy. It is becoming increasingly obvious that it can't go on in it's present form.

I accept that the monarchy is thought to be a shield against Britain falling into a dictatorship but I find the idea that the royals earn their keep by boosting tourism absurd. It is impossible to quantify their influence but recent figures show that other cities like Paris, Rome and Venice attract more visitors per year.

It’s no good comparing anyone with the RF or anyone else wealthy and privileged.Unless we all want to live in a Communist country, and even then, like the USSR as used to be some were more equal than others.

Norah

Anniebach

You would choose to share a home with your,children,grandchildren, brothers,sisters, nieces and nephews?

Who is sharing an enormous home with relatives?

I think it was suggested by a poster that the Royal Family live in affordable housing on one of their private estates.
That suggestion is very odd - if any of us live in private houses which are considered too large for us, should we have our home confiscated and forced to live in the converted garage?

I think many people do not understand the difference between the taxpayer funding the work that the Monarch and other members of the Royal Family carry out and their own private estates and income.

What really annoys me is when people talk of teachers and nurses as if they only earn pennies and have to use food banks.
There are always instances of hardship that can occur but those professionals mentioned can pay their way in most circumstances.

I d be happy with a King and Queen only and they live normally not with these vast riches and huge palaces and owning so much land with loads of family all also on the rich list

Maremia

Don't think nurses and teachers ever got into so much debt as Fergie.

True.
And I think many people get into debt because they can’t pay their mortgage and all the household bills. It is easy enough to judge others but it only needs a partner to lose their job and everything suddenly becomes unaffordable.
Some manage better than others because they might have family who can loan them some money or an inheritance etc., or they got better financial advice when buying a house.
I don’t think we will ever know unless we walk in their shoes.

Don't think nurses and teachers ever got into so much debt as Fergie.

Anniebach

You would choose to share a home with your,children,grandchildren, brothers,sisters, nieces and nephews?

Who is sharing an enormous home with relatives?

Oreo

JaneJudge

I think it is all completely vulgar when you consider nurses and teachers need to use food banks (and that is not the only example) The bloke was riding about on his horse and living in a bloody palace paid for by us idiots

Nurses and teachers do not have to use food banks and if any do it’s ‘cos they’ve got themselves into debt big time.
How do you think millions of others who don’t earn what nurses and teachers do and don’t use food banks either, manage?

Sandringham is a private estate not funded by us, the taxpayer.

So far, I understand, Andrew M-W is having difficulty finding any staff who want to work for him.

Successive Governments are responsible if people are forced to use food banks.

JaneJudge from information gleaned, ( I’m prepared to be corrected!)
Andrew’s mounts are not his, but from the Royal stables at Windsor Castle.
Andrew telephoned ahead to I guess to the Head Groom, a horse was prepared for him, groomed, tacked, led out.
All he had to do was mount and I hope he said thank you.

Once he had finished hacking and waving to peasants the reverse applied, he dismounted, horse is led away, tack removed, rubbed down, watered and returned to a thoroughly mucked out clean dry loose box smelling sweetly of clover hay.
Andrew drives home.
Andrew is not there anymore, small steps.

It’s about time Nurses and Teachers had a raise it’s true.

“Let them eat cake” as a riposte is so imbued in our psyche
and informs our sense of fair play, which of course, Andrew and his ilk, on the other side of the fence, cannot possibly
understand let alone empathise.

Andrew never actually DID anything did he, never put in. I know he served his country in the Falklands but that was 40+ years ago and after resting on his laurels for a while became self serving which brings us back to the beginning.

You are quite right it is vulgar but the zeitgeist is having its say.

Witzend

MayBee70

I think we’d end up with someone like Farage as president .

That’s my general feeling, too.
I’d rather stick with the RF for heads of state.

I think William will modernise the monarchy to some extent. To me he’s shaping up pretty well so far.

You're right, Maybee

Apart from the occasional black sheep, who needs to be dealt with as any other person would be, the status quo works well.

Anniebach

You would choose to share a home with your,children,grandchildren, brothers,sisters, nieces and nephews?

Don't forget visiting Heads of State and all their entourages!

Queen Camilla getting flustered in the kitchen, trying to knock up a banquet for 200 on a four ring hob and single oven.
Charlotte saying she'll need to be paid at least minimum wage to be waiting on.

It just wouldn't work! 😂

MayBee70

I think we’d end up with someone like Farage as president .

That’s my general feeling, too.
I’d rather stick with the RF for heads of state.

I think William will modernise the monarchy to some extent. To me he’s shaping up pretty well so far.

JaneJudge

I think it is all completely vulgar when you consider nurses and teachers need to use food banks (and that is not the only example) The bloke was riding about on his horse and living in a bloody palace paid for by us idiots

Nurses and teachers do not have to use food banks and if any do it’s ‘cos they’ve got themselves into debt big time.
How do you think millions of others who don’t earn what nurses and teachers do and don’t use food banks either, manage?

SORES

“Whilst the Monarch occupies the highest office of State,
no one else can
While he is Head of Law, no politician can take over the
Courts
As Head of State, no General can take over the Government
As Head of the Services, no coup can turn the Army against
the people

The strength of the Monarchy does not lie in the power it
gives to the Sovereign
but in the power it denies anyone else”

This was the official description in 1969.

“Whilst the Monarch occupies the highest office of State,
no one else can
While he is Head of Law, no politician can take over the
Courts
As Head of State, no General can take over the Government
As Head of the Services, no coup can turn the Army against
the people"

As checks and balances are concerned in a constitutional democracy, the system in the UK works well as demonstrated above.

We need to separate out our Constitutional Monarchy from the Royal Family as a whole in our minds. I think that, whilst the Monarch might need support in many of the duties expected of him or her, we have tended over the last century to expect our Royal Family to become 'ours' , to be on demand and parade for whatever we expect of them, even their private lives.

As far as I am concerned, a Constitutional Monarchy is preferable to a President who might try to seize powers as described by SORES. A different kind of Monarchy, though, one where the wider family can live private lives away from the intrusion of publicity.
One where the line of succession can be changed or successors removed without such lengthy procedures too.