Future of the Monarchy

eazybee

I think it would be a very great pity if the monarchy should end.
I am far more worried about the effect Starmer will have on this country if he manages to survive to the next General Election, as he plans to do.

We’re talking about the Monarchy.

Wake up everyone

But even so their wealth is vulgar and posters on here are even defending why he has a fucking horse

I don’t know why folk get so worked up about the horse.
If they see it as a symbolic - the Grand old Duke of York on his high horse, they are way off beam.
He’s plodding along on a horse from the royal mews that looks sedated and is too small for him.
Contrast the scene with Princess Anne exercising one of hers.

If he’s doing it to annoy onlookers then he’s winning the game.

Because she most people Do not have a horse

JaneJudge

Because she most people Do not have a horse

So what?

Most people don’t have a mansion to live in, or 3 cruises a year or a top of the range RollsRoyce either, so why bother about a horse? Stop Press! Some people have more money than others.

Oreo

The RF do a good job at promoting the UK around the world, help tourism and act as diplomats.
Let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

But isn't that what Andrew MW was supposed to be doing.

SORES

“Whilst the Monarch occupies the highest office of State,
no one else can
While he is Head of Law, no politician can take over the
Courts
As Head of State, no General can take over the Government
As Head of the Services, no coup can turn the Army against
the people

The strength of the Monarchy does not lie in the power it
gives to the Sovereign
but in the power it denies anyone else”

This was the official description in 1969.

Errrrrm.......Iran....

JaneJudge

Because she most people Do not have a horse

You don't have to be rich to have a horse. I went without many other things to be able to afford to ride - although I never had a horse of my own - and did the same for my daughter. Most of the parents who went to our stables were in the same position.

Ilovecheese

Oreo

The RF do a good job at promoting the UK around the world, help tourism and act as diplomats.
Let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

But isn't that what Andrew MW was supposed to be doing.

It was, but remember the rest of the RF are doing it all the time and doing a good job of it. AMW is the only bad apple that I can see.

@SORES
*Andrew never actually DID anything did he, never put in. I know he served his country in the Falklands.

He served in the Navy for 22 years.

butterandjam

@SORES
*Andrew never actually DID anything did he, never put in. I know he served his country in the Falklands.

He served in the Navy for 22 years.

Apparently unfortunately for those he worked alongside.

Why is it that whenever a president is suggested instead of a Monachy the USA is cited as an exa mple of be careful what you wish for. There are plenty of republics that function perfectly well e.g Ireland. Although I do think a change of vting system would be needed

Graceless

Why is it that whenever a president is suggested instead of a Monachy the USA is cited as an exa mple of be careful what you wish for. There are plenty of republics that function perfectly well e.g Ireland. Although I do think a change of vting system would be needed

It’s because many people are politically illiterate and don’t even understand the difference between a head of state and a head of govt and that there are various models of this.

I have never fucked vulnerable Poole
Why are you all focused on the horse

People it Poole
Honestly these people don’t care about us

Dear me.
A great many personal dislikes and grievances aired under the pretence of expressing concern about the state of the monarchy, which seems.to me to have functioned extremely well during the past few weeks as Andrew's dangerously stupid behaviour was revealed.
Statements about teachers and nurses having to resort to foodbanks, which is in some way caused by the royal family. How did I manage to raise two children and pay off a large mortgage as a single working mother without financial help, state benefits or foodbanks?
Some unpleasant and inaccurate comments about members of the royal family, living and dead, which reveal more about their authors than the state of the monarchy.
The politics of spite.

The monarchy needs to go. It is a massive anachronism.

It's appalling to think that anybody, simply by being born into a particular family, can find themselves subsidised by the taxpayers in an extraordinary position of wealth and privilege for life, and can guarantee the same for their children.

The extraordinary battery of financial privileges they are given comes with an ability to hide their wealth from the taxpaying public. The Queen/King and their partners can pass on their wealth free of inheritance tax. They can keep their Wills private. No other member of the public can do that. As for the number of these independently wealthy multimillionaires paying peppercorn rents for mansions - outrageous, and all happening in front of us while we complain about the state of public finances, the decline of the NHS, the underfunding of schools, the in-repaired potholes etc.

The sheer arrogance of the royals saying 'never complain, never explain' is exactly why some of them have been able to get away with the offensive behaviour they have. They have nothing to complain about and everything to explain.
The problem is our media are so keen to get a picture of Kate in her latest dress they feel obliged to keep silent about certain things so as not to be expelled from the press pack at events.

We watched Philip turn up to every public event he looked pained to be at, only to insult the people less privileged than him or from a different culture or country. We were expected to tolerate his obnoxious behaviour with 'that's just Philip's way'. He was a national embarrassment.

We are now watching sheer royal corruption exposed by the Epstein Files. Look at the lavish lifestyle Andrew and Fergie enjoyed without a job between them. Look at how we had to pay excessive amounts in security to watch his daughters globe trotting at our expense.

Look at how little Kate and William actually do. Yet, as soon as his future lifestyle is threatened, he has become animated and 'concerned'. Why did he not speak up before? Why didn't Charles? Why didn't the Queen? No - she just came up with £12 million to silence the victim of her son. Shameless.

Where was 'all equal before the law', 'the law must take its course'? They are only saying it now because their positions are at risk, because the group 'Republic' made an official complaint to Thames Valley Police. The royals have enabled Andrew by their silence.

I'm tired of hearing about their 'duty', how 'Andrew served in the navy', 'Kate has had cancer', 'the King has cancer'. So have many of us had or have cancer, lost children to cancer, served in the armed forces, worked all our lives in public services, volunteered for good causes as well as working. The difference is non of these ordinary citizens are rewarded with jobs for life, endless mansions, servants, chauffeurs, Nannie's etc We just have to dig deep, and when ill with cancer get back to work before our sick pay runs out.

Nothing has changed in terms of tourism when a royal dies and no job is left undone. In many of our lifetimes, The Queen Mother, Princess Margaret, Princess Diana, Prince Philip,The Queen died. Nothing stopped running, tourism didn't drop off, the clocks didn't stop.People will visit whether the royals are here or not. Many of us have been to Versailles not expecting to see a Queen or King and many similar places across the globe.
We can still have pageantry without the royals - other countries do.

The country can run without Kates new dress display, Williams latest tantrum, the dilemma of what school his kids will go to, the saga of their dogs or what Meghan and Harry did next.

He served in the Navy for 22 years

Not on his own he didn't! Thousands of others did.

StoneofDestiny

*He served in the Navy for 22 years*

Not on his own he didn't! Thousands of others did.

And many never come back from the Falklands and many came back dreadfully injured

The RF do a good job at promoting the UK around the world

Really? I think Prince Andrew served himself on that number more than the country. William and Kate did a replay of White Colonialism in Jamaica 2022.It was a public relations calamity and 'tone deaf'. As for Prince Philip's insults to everybody he met.......
If they were doing 'proper jobs' they would have been sacked.

Whether you abolish the monarchy or not, and no matter what system you devise, there will always be 'an aristocracy' within the ruling class of that system that rises to the top. We are only as free as they leave us room to scratch. Most people are happy with that as long as they have a decent life and are treated well.

Devorgilla

Whether you abolish the monarchy or not, and no matter what system you devise, there will always be 'an aristocracy' within the ruling class of that system that rises to the top. We are only as free as they leave us room to scratch. Most people are happy with that as long as they have a decent life and are treated well.

But they haven’t and they aren’t

Graceless

Why is it that whenever a president is suggested instead of a Monachy the USA is cited as an exa mple of be careful what you wish for. There are plenty of republics that function perfectly well e.g Ireland. Although I do think a change of vting system would be needed

Why is it whenever anyone suggests a Republic would be wonderful, they mention Ireland?

Please, it's just a non-sequitor.
Ireland bears no comparison to the UK.

there will always be 'an aristocracy' within the ruling class of that system that rises to the top

Someone always rises to the top - true. There will always be corruption, green and inequality. There will always be very wealthy people.
That isn't the issue here - the issue is we accept one family and their descendants as fit to 'rule over us', and to represent us. To live with unimaginable wealth and privilege supported by hard working public. A family who dish out that wealth in the form of cheap or free living accommodation to their extended family and have, it seems, countless properties lying around uninhabited while we face a housing and homelessness crisis. This family is allowed to hide behind not just palace walls, but hide their wealth from us in life and in death. At least if we chose our own head of state we would not have to house their extended family, cousins, uncles, grannies etc and fill those houses with servants and guard them with police and security. Most of us complain about not getting the police to attend a burglary - they have police accompanying them on holiday, and to visit convicted child traffickers.

It's about injustice in the end, and not perpetrating an antiquated system that was as unjust in the middle ages as it is now.