Nottingham stabbing inquiry

It is incredibly upsetting to see the photographs of the two young people, and the smiling caretaker, who were so needlessly murdered. I shan’t watch it, too upsetting, and very, very sad. I understand why you are so affected especially as it happened in your area. Beyond comprehension how these things happen 😢

Heartbreaking.

We have heard nothing about it here and don’t want to, either. We have plenty of similar things happening unfortunately. Noticeably the Bondi massacres and the anti Semitism pervading the country.

We live about 12 miles away but lots of our family are Forest supporters, as was one of those killed, so it feels very close to home.

It strikes home to those of you in the area. Very upsetting.

It strikes home very deeply when one of the victims was known to you, as a school child. 😥

The killer slipped through the system, the result was horrific and heartbreaking for all concerned.

If the result of the enquiry is lessons will be learnt I will not be responsible for my actions, just the same old same old phrase again and again…

Yet another young person who waved red flags at all those who were in a position to do something but waited until innocent people lose their lives. It is an increasing problem and needs to be addressed immediately. Prevent, the Government initiative to remove troubled youngsters from our streets, clearly doesn't live up to it's name. Initially intended for young people with terrorism ideology I think it should be used for those with mental health issues and violent tendencies. They need to be in a secure environment rather than being free to walk our streets.

GrannyGravy13

The killer slipped through the system, the result was horrific and heartbreaking for all concerned.

If the result of the enquiry is lessons will be learnt I will not be responsible for my actions, just the same old same old phrase again and again…

I agree.
But to bring about any change, we have to make people accountable. That involves delving into the whole truth which isn't always made available, or is conveniently pushed under the carpet.

Sarnia 👏 👏

I don't know whether it is true, and it will need to be questioned, but one headline reads that .....
The killer was released early because he was black??

I agree with your post Sarnia 👏👏👏

I was working with the sister of this man who committed this heinous crime. My next door neighbour was a district psychiatric nurse. The assailant was one of his patients.
My neighbours job was cut, that meant the powers that be had no idea if he was taking his oral medication or not. As it turned out, not.

www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/5456033.westcliff-our-angel/

I missed out that my neighbour injected the assailant as he was schizophrenic.

The actual number of homicides by people with known mental health problems has been remarkably stable over the years. The actual proportion has increased because the overall number of homicides have gone down. The cases just about always get understandably a great deal of coverage so people think the problem is increasing. It isn’t but of course the real question is why isn’t the problem been dealt with more effectively? As Petra’s example shows, resources is probably part of the problem but underpinning that is the decision making behind the how to decide priorities in the allocation of resources

This is the report from the Guardian Langdale is the Counsel to the Enquiry . It’s chilling isn’t it?

Langdale said a doctor involved in the assessment had been “leaning towards” sectioning Calocane due to it being his “first presentation of psychosis” and a lack of information about his risk history. However, a team of mental health professionals considered research evidence that examined the over-representation of young black men in detention.

It was then concluded that the crisis team could provide a “safe and reasonable alternative” and Calocane could be admitted to hospital if the community treatment plan failed. Calocane agreed to being prescribed medication and home treatment, including twice daily visits from the crisis team, Langdale said.

Tuliptree

Langdale said a doctor involved in the assessment had been “leaning towards” sectioning Calocane due to it being his “first presentation of psychosis” and a lack of information about his risk history. However, a team of mental health professionals considered research evidence that examined the over-representation of young black men in detention.

It was then concluded that the crisis team could provide a “safe and reasonable alternative” and Calocane could be admitted to hospital if the community treatment plan failed. Calocane agreed to being prescribed medication and home treatment, including twice daily visits from the crisis team, Langdale said.

If they are in detention the they are deemed necessary to be so. This pandering to "too many black people in detention, so what. Do they say that about too many white people. Absolutely disgusting, innocents lost their live due this abhorrent ruling. Those involved for saying this should be sacked,not fit for their role.

If an individual presents as a danger to society and needs to be in detention, skin colour surely should be irrelevant. Those who reached the decision based on the spurious "over representation" theory should be held accountable. Three lives lost to a maniac on a random killing spree is just too, too awful.

TerriBull

If an individual presents as a danger to society and needs to be in detention, skin colour surely should be irrelevant. Those who reached the decision based on the spurious "over representation" theory should be held accountable. Three lives lost to a maniac on a random killing spree is just too, too awful.

I agree with you. How on earth do those families ever piece their lives back together? To think it was avoidable makes it even worse. I think there may be something in this, though. The grooming gangs consisting almost exclusively of Asian and Middle Eastern men were allowed to continue their disgusting abuse because the Government, Police and support agencies were terrified of being labelled as racist. That mindset has to stop.

Very interesting discussion on LBC about this this afternoon - Shelagh Fogerty. Black men 30% more likely to experience psychosis so inevitably would be expected to figure more highly in numbers needing to be detained. Public safety should be the only measure . Where ethnicity matters is in service design, accessing services, outreach etc not in decisions about detaining. As others have said, I can’t imagine losing someone to a preventable death. How could that ever reach resolution? The families fight for this enquiry is so admirable and I would like to think they’d get at least a little comfort from hopefully helping to bring about some improvements in the future.

nanna8

We have heard nothing about it here and don’t want to, either. We have plenty of similar things happening unfortunately. Noticeably the Bondi massacres and the anti Semitism pervading the country.

Well I have to say we get bombarded with your news here. I shan't be so sympathetic in future.

Sarnia

Yet another young person who waved red flags at all those who were in a position to do something but waited until innocent people lose their lives. It is an increasing problem and needs to be addressed immediately. Prevent, the Government initiative to remove troubled youngsters from our streets, clearly doesn't live up to it's name. Initially intended for young people with terrorism ideology I think it should be used for those with mental health issues and violent tendencies. They need to be in a secure environment rather than being free to walk our streets.

Margaret Thatcher's " Government Initiative " called Care in the Community is the reason desperately ill people like Calocane are on the streets, instead of being properly cared for in a secure environment.

<https://navigator.health.org.uk/theme/caring-people-community-care-next-decade-and-beyond-white-paper>

Yep!

MartavTaurus

I don't know whether it is true, and it will need to be questioned, but one headline reads that .....
The killer was released early because he was black??

He wasn't "released early because he was black".

2020; first MH episode, no previous history.

<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/feb/23/nottingham-killer-valdo-calocane-race-mental-health-inquiry>

"Calocane was arrested on 24 May 2020 after “repeatedly kicking and punching” a door in his student accommodation. A neighbour had to “restrain” Calocane before officers arrived, Langdale said.

Calocane, who was a student at University of Nottingham at the time, later had a mental health assessment where he described hearing voices. The assessment concluded Calocane was dealing with a first episode of psychosis, which was attributed to sleep deprivation and exam-related stress.

Langdale said a doctor involved in the assessment had been “leaning towards” sectioning Calocane due to it being his “first presentation of psychosis” and a lack of information about his risk history. However, a team of mental health professionals considered research evidence that examined the over-representation of young black men in detention.

It was then concluded that the crisis team could provide a “safe and reasonable alternative” and Calocane could be admitted to hospital if the community treatment plan failed. Calocane agreed to being prescribed medication and home treatment, including twice daily visits from the crisis team"

That primary treatment plan failed
and he was sectioned (admitted to hospital.)