Huntley and comeuppance

M0nica

Momac55

Tuliptree

Petra - should men convicted of rape be sodomised? Preferably with a broken bottle? Thieves have their hands cut off?

Yes from me

Disgusting. just because there is a drunk in the gutter you do not have to get in the gutter with them.

Well said, M0nica.

I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever for Huntley - but let's be real here. The prisoner who attacked him isn't behind bars because he didn't pay his TV licence or some parking fines. Frankland houses violent prisoners, some of whom have committed crimes just as heinous as Huntley and that level of violence is not something which should be celebrated.

M0nica

Peaseblossom

M0nica I think you are in the minority with those views.

I am absolutely horrified by your comment. It means that at heart there is little to choose between each of us and our families and the people who revel in torture in Syrian, Russian prisons, or the drug bandits of Mexico and Columbia.

I don’t think it means that really!
Just that most posters have no sympathy for him if another violent murderer attacked him.
If for instance the prison guards had attacked him that would be a different matter.

I suspect in prison, child rapists and murderers are considered the lowest of the low.
I would not condone violence in any situation but karma does often prevail. Perhaps being incarcerated rather than suffering physical pain, does not equate to adequate retribution in the eyes of fellow inmates.

If the system had only euthanised the likes of Huntley, we wouldn’t be having this conversation today- maybe on capital punishment for sure.

I've read up on this and those little girls must have been absolutely terrified. He also pleaded guilty to 'accidentally' killing them. Dumped their bodies in a ditch and changed the bedding at his home. His hair was found near where he dumped them, and their clothes in a bin where he worked. There is no doubt he killed them. I hope he dies too. My DGD is the same age so perhaps that's why I wish him dead.

One of the 'problems' with capital punishment is that the courts can get it wrong.
They are looking again at the 40 plus years ago 'Bambi' murders.

Maremia

One of the 'problems' with capital punishment is that the courts can get it wrong.
They are looking again at the 40 plus years ago 'Bambi' murders.

DNA evidence is quite good these days. Huntleys DNA was all over those two little girls.
Sorry I wish I could be a do gooder when it comes to the likes of Huntley & the likes of him, but it turns my stomach when I think what those girls went through 😩

"Sorry I wish I could be a do gooder when it comes to the likes of Huntley & the likes of him, but it turns my stomach when I think what those girls went through"

I don't think anyone on this thread has sympathy for Huntley or feels anything but complete revulsion for what he did. What we are discussing is how convicted people should be treated in prison. I and many others on this thread do not think it's acceptable for prisoners to be attacked by fellow prisoners. That does not make us "do gooders" it means we do not agree with the lynch mob mentality that some seem to have.

DH long retired often had to deal with prisoners who were well cared for regardless of their crime however nauseating. They were given a side ward and tv and police guard on the door. He was usually told of their crime ,some prisoners enjoyed telling him what they had done. DH is very stoical ,phlegmatic undramatic sort but I will always remember the day he was asked to see someone in the prison and he came home and poured himself a neat scotch ,saying simply that he had been in the presence of evil. I think prison officers have a dreadful job especially places like frankland. If it is true that Huntley did order a football shirt like that then I’m astonished it was allowed. His poor mother is equivocal about him .

foxie48

"Sorry I wish I could be a do gooder when it comes to the likes of Huntley & the likes of him, but it turns my stomach when I think what those girls went through"

I don't think anyone on this thread has sympathy for Huntley or feels anything but complete revulsion for what he did. What we are discussing is how convicted people should be treated in prison. I and many others on this thread do not think it's acceptable for prisoners to be attacked by fellow prisoners. That does not make us "do gooders" it means we do not agree with the lynch mob mentality that some seem to have.

Thanks foxie, so many of us are making similar comments.
The use of terms like do gooder and suggestion that those of us who want convicted people kept safe somehow care about Huntley and not his victims is offensive as well as wrong

‘Do-gooder’ is such a nasty, slimey, unpleasant phrase which speaks volumes about those who use it.

foxie48

"Sorry I wish I could be a do gooder when it comes to the likes of Huntley & the likes of him, but it turns my stomach when I think what those girls went through"

I don't think anyone on this thread has sympathy for Huntley or feels anything but complete revulsion for what he did. What we are discussing is how convicted people should be treated in prison. I and many others on this thread do not think it's acceptable for prisoners to be attacked by fellow prisoners. That does not make us "do gooders" it means we do not agree with the lynch mob mentality that some seem to have.

I don’t agree with the lynch mob either, If he had been given a lethal injection we wouldn’t be here now, would we!

MT62

Maremia

One of the 'problems' with capital punishment is that the courts can get it wrong.
They are looking again at the 40 plus years ago 'Bambi' murders.

DNA evidence is quite good these days. Huntleys DNA was all over those two little girls.
Sorry I wish I could be a do gooder when it comes to the likes of Huntley & the likes of him, but it turns my stomach when I think what those girls went through 😩

DNA evidence is quite good these days

DNA evidence is an excellent tool in solving crime but it is not infallible.

Maremia

One of the 'problems' with capital punishment is that the courts can get it wrong.
They are looking again at the 40 plus years ago 'Bambi' murders.

And the police. That’s why I could never vote for the death penalty.

Allira - as you say DNA is not infallible and of course, people are convicted of murder without it. Sally Clarke was convicted using misleading expert witness evidence, non- disclosure of forensic evidence and completely wrong statistical interpretation . In the Lucy Letby case, some are seeing similar issues. I know IH’s guilt is not disputed but it does mean we have regularly over the years imprisoned innocent people accused of murdering children who some of you think it would be fine to attack.

I am talking about murderers who take great delight in the crimes they have committed.
It physically makes me sick to hear about it.
I am a decent person I will add, but not when it comes to these sick monsters.
I am sorry I don’t have an ounce of sympathy for this Huntley guy.
I’ll save my sympathy for the victims & his mother.

MT62

foxie48

"Sorry I wish I could be a do gooder when it comes to the likes of Huntley & the likes of him, but it turns my stomach when I think what those girls went through"

I don't think anyone on this thread has sympathy for Huntley or feels anything but complete revulsion for what he did. What we are discussing is how convicted people should be treated in prison. I and many others on this thread do not think it's acceptable for prisoners to be attacked by fellow prisoners. That does not make us "do gooders" it means we do not agree with the lynch mob mentality that some seem to have.

I don’t agree with the lynch mob either, If he had been given a lethal injection we wouldn’t be here now, would we!

We don’t have the death penalty. State killing is wrong. Look at the USA, high murder rate so it’s no deterrent as well as being wrong,

There's also someone else who suffers who we don't think of.
His mother

www.thesun.co.uk/news/38362495/ian-huntleys-mum-hopes-soham-monster-dies-jail-attack/

It’s also not about sympathy for Huntley.

I don't agree with capital punishment either MT62

You are entitled to your opinions about capital punishment as I am entitled to mine.
I don’t want to walk on the same earth as these depraved monsters. Sorry if I come across as being hard, truly I am not!

I think 'do righters' is a more accurate description of some of the Posters.
And yes, I have a lot of sympathy for Prison Wardens.

I'm a bit late to this thread, though I've tried to skim through it.

I do not condone violence of any sort, and I am not happy with what goes on in our prisons.

But many posters are fretting about how convicted people like this should be treated in prison. My answer would be - locked up 24/7, no mixing, no visitors, basic needs met, that's all.

MartavTaurus

I'm a bit late to this thread, though I've tried to skim through it.

I do not condone violence of any sort, and I am not happy with what goes on in our prisons.

But many posters are fretting about how convicted people like this should be treated in prison. My answer would be - locked up 24/7, no mixing, no visitors, basic needs met, that's all.

Actually ‘fretting ‘about how they are treated simply means caring about their right not to be attacked . That’s not part of the punishment handed down by the court.