Huntley and comeuppance

M0nica

Oreo

It’s easy to be magnanimous when it’s someone else’s child.

Courtesy does not come into it. We have a rule of law and justice in this country. It only works because we abide by it and respect it.

I am fed up with people who do the 'if it was your child' argument. I have been there, not a child, but no details. I and my family reacted as we said we would. We accepted the rule of law.

Supposing you have the lynch mob mentality and build up your hate and loathing - and it is later proven that the person convicted was innocent? This happens far too freuently. This has happened to 2 men recently imprisoned for vile rapes and has happened with child killers in the not far distant past.

I understand what you are saying and I do agree with it. However, I think it is possible to understand the natural, visceral initial reaction to want utter vengeance on anyone who harmed your child, while at the same time accepting that justice must prevail and the law must be allowed to run its course.
It's human nature - I almost lost my own grandchild because of the actions of his mother - and at the time, I felt as if I could have torn her limb from limb. I would never have acted on that, of course - but it was a deep inner reaction borne out of wanting to protect my GC. That 'I would die to protect my child' instinct. That's why the law is there - to stop us acting on those base instincts which lie within all of us.

Troll. New poster, middle of the night posting, etc.

All entitled to differing opinions but no need for rude comments such as made by Son25.

I support Monica's consistent position throughout- ie- quite simply- we have a rule of law and justice in this country. It only works because we abide by it and respect it. I also agree with other posters that Huntley's fellow inmates are offenders of violent serious crimes- as was Huntley's attacker- murderer and rapist. They have no legitimate, moral or legal basis to attack others for the crimes they were convicted of.

We can believe all the above whilst still being outraged by Huntley's crime. Nothing whatsoever to do with being "magnanimous when it's someone else's child"

This is a very sobering read - I read it again this morning and it must be one of the most heartbreaking indictments of our CJS ever. And yes he was attacked several times in prison. Poor Stefan Kiszko and his poor mother. At least Lesley’s family eventually got justice.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lesley_Molseed?wprov=sfti1#

Oreo

It’s easy to be magnanimous when it’s someone else’s child.

Courtesy does not come into it. We have a rule of law and justice in this country. It only works because we abide by it and respect it.

I am fed up with people who do the 'if it was your child' argument. I have been there, not a child, but no details. I and my family reacted as we said we would. We accepted the rule of law.

Supposing you have the lynch mob mentality and build up your hate and loathing - and it is later proven that the person convicted was innocent? This happens far too freuently. This has happened to 2 men recently imprisoned for vile rapes and has happened with child killers in the not far distant past.

Oreo, it's easy for some people to remain courteous and respectful of the opinions of others, including those with whom they disagree.
Others find this more difficult.

It’s easy to be magnanimous when it’s someone else’s child.

If your ( general) little girl had been murdered by Huntley you would be singing a different tune.

Or it could be that Son25 is simply giving his/her opinion just as the rest of us do on here.

Iam64

Son25 appears to enjoy posting rude comments. Attention seeking posts that do nothing to develop a discussion, or disagreement

I agree. Best to just ignore someone like that and stop giving them the attention they seek.

Son25 appears to enjoy posting rude comments. Attention seeking posts that do nothing to develop a discussion, or disagreement

Son25

Monica your talking crap give it up, who wouldn’t attack a monster I feel I couldn’t hurt a fly but having to live with Huntley I could probably change my mind

MOnica is fully entitled to her opinion and just because it doesn't agree with yours she isn't talking rubbish.
New GN here, are you? A forum is a place where views can be exchanged. Give your opinion by all means but do not belittle others for theirs.

Well, that's an overnight insult if ever I saw one!
With any luck it will be flushed away forthwith.

Son25

Monica your talking crap give it up, who wouldn’t attack a monster I feel I couldn’t hurt a fly but having to live with Huntley I could probably change my mind

Don't be so disrespectful, this is a respected poster who like me does not want a lynch mob mentality.
The man who beat up Huntley was a triple murderer himself.

agingrapidly

I suspect in prison, child rapists and murderers are considered the lowest of the low.
I would not condone violence in any situation but karma does often prevail. Perhaps being incarcerated rather than suffering physical pain, does not equate to adequate retribution in the eyes of fellow inmates.

The "fellow inmate" who attacked Huntley was himself a murderer and rapist - he raped a pregnant woman and then murdered her, so I doubt he had retribution for Holly and Jessica on his mind when he carried out the attack. It was more likely to be rage over possessions / drugs / or because he felt 'dis-respected' in some way by Huntley.

If Huntley dies, I hope it will give some small crumb of closure for Holly's and Jessica's parents, though I don't think it will ease their pain.

But let's not get carried away with the idea of the prison vigilante hero. Huntley's fellow inmates are largely vicious thugs - murderers and rapists. How the depleted prison staff cope, I cannot imagine. The last thing they need is to have to deal with violence between the inmates.

It's sickening M0nica.

If violence and sadism are wrong then it doesn't make it right just because you approve of it being dished out well said AmberGran.

Lynch mob mentality.

Ian Huntley seems to be hanging on a long time in the coma he is in. Considering he is in such high security it is amazing the offender managed to get to him. However he got in the condition he is in does not bother me, all I think about are the two young girls whose lives were taken all those years ago, and I know if I was one of the mothers of either girl all I would be waiting to hear was that he had taken his last breath and this world was rid of the evil scumbag.

Graso

Well said Monica, Tuliptree and others that have argued for the rule of law rather than that of the mob.

I’m sorry you’ve received such nasty responses from some posters in their attempts to appear the most outraged.

No one is on Huntley’s side but he has already received a lawful punishment; two life sentences and very little possibility of ever being released. In a civilised society that has to be enough.

I agree.

I also agree that there is a difference between the knee-jerk reaction of 'well don't expect me to feel sorry for him' and 'I wish he'd been killed in a very nasty way'.

What this thread shows me is that under the very slim veneer of being civilised many people remain neanderthals. If violence and sadism are wrong then it doesn't make it right just because you approve of it being dished out.

I would visit my son if one of mine was in prison for horrible murders. I don’t think I would feel the same towards him, but I would still care about him and want to help him.

MOnica I also hate the lynch mob mentality you are not alone.

nanna8

I don’t know that I would visit a son like that. I think I would disown him and concentrate on the rest of the family. I couldn’t bear looking at him.

I suppose we are all different. For me he'd be the baby I fed, the little boy I pushed on the swing, nothing would make me turn my back on one of mine. As someone said earlier I'd hate what he'd done but I couldnt hate him.

Son25

Monica you said he was serving his time and that was enough, you obviously have no idea what prison life is like and no it’s not, he isn’t in jail with petty thieves he’s in with people who will never get out until they die, violence isn’t necessary is bollocks it’s a way of life for them and they know nothing else am pissed about loads of things in my life but think about sharing your time with Ian Huntley maybes he should be in a cell with you then he would be alive

All my posts on this thread have simply been a protest about the 'lynch him, kill him, torture him slowly to death' comments by posters on this thread.

I have made no comments about the conditions in prison, I am well aware what they are like. I have merely said that we have the rule of law in this country that is about as just as is possible. I know it is not perfect, but nothing ever is. Huntley has been tried convicted and is serving his sentence and it a lot more just than the lynch mob, which, probably kills three innocent people for every guilty person.

Thorugh out this thread others have consistently misread or misunderstood what I have been saying or assumed deep motives behind it. I really do not why

My first post deplored the lynch mob mentality expressed by some posting on here and that is all I have been doing all the way through.

Or about a violent man attacking a violent man. As common and banal as that.

The alleged perpetrator of this attack is incarcerated for three murders, including a pregnant woman. I cannot see how a man with such a skewed moral compass can claim to be be disturbed by sharing a space with Mr Huntley.
The talk seems to suggest that the attack was revenge for Mr Huntley's crimes, but we do not know that. It could be about disrespect, or any other matters which is important to some prisoners.