Israel and US hit Iran

Casdon

Oreo

Maremia

Why are so many Posters jumping to the conclusion that any on here support the Iranian regime?

Hmm, I wonder!
Because that’s exactly what it sounds like.

No, it doesn’t, except to those who are naive enough to believe that Trump has thought through what happens next. I doubt there is a single person who condoned the dictatorship and oppression in Iran, but we differ on how best to move to a better future.
I get really fed up with the ‘right and wrong’ that keeps being perpetrated by some on here.

My comment was tongue in cheek, as logically there wouldn’t be any extreme Islamists on this thread who supported a murderous regime.
What it does sound like however is a mixture of things: those who never support military action, possibly old CND adherents, those who only worry about the price of petrol or goods in the shops here, those who ‘always keep a hold of nurse for fear of finding something worse’ ( which stymies any action) those who dislike Trump so much that they would never get behind anything he instigated, those who have anti Israel bias ( shock, gasp!) also those who worry about people stuck in hotels in Dubai and surrounding areas, and those who worry about military personnel.

Just watched Trevor Phillips and thought that John Healey,( the defence secretary ) spoke very well.

Oh I know how dreadful the regime is Petra, and can easily believe that many thousands were killed in the latest uprising.
I have absolutely zero tolerance of the regime or what they have done but am very worried that this war will not result in the liberation of the Iranian people but instead yet more killed by the bombing of Iran by the US and Israel.
Few or perhaps no democracies have been bombed into being by outside forces, but would love to be proved wrong on this occasion.

Leaving Afghanistan was Trump's call Galaxy.

If they can find the three new Leaders, and defeat the four layers of command.

Yes I know. I am not talking party politics I am talking about the fact that it is not as simple as saying all intervention is wrong, often non intervention, or the removal of intervention is also a disaster.

That’s what I said earlier Galaxy that doing nothing is never doing nothing.

And it is worth remembering that no 'side' has the monopoly on being right, way back when the Ayatollah took over, some on the left were explaining this was a good thing for Iran.

Upside for Ukraine. No more drones.

Galaxy

Yes I know. I am not talking party politics I am talking about the fact that it is not as simple as saying all intervention is wrong, often non intervention, or the removal of intervention is also a disaster.

Of course it isn’t. Considered action, after considering all the potential after effects and identifying mitigating action should they occur is good. Do you think that is what has happened here?

Casdon

Oreo

Maremia

Why are so many Posters jumping to the conclusion that any on here support the Iranian regime?

Hmm, I wonder!
Because that’s exactly what it sounds like.

No, it doesn’t, except to those who are naive enough to believe that Trump has thought through what happens next. I doubt there is a single person who condoned the dictatorship and oppression in Iran, but we differ on how best to move to a better future.
I get really fed up with the ‘right and wrong’ that keeps being perpetrated by some on here.

I doubt there is a single person who condoned the dictatorship and oppression in Iran, but we differ on how best to move to a better future.

Quite.

Unless I'm missing something, I refuse to believe that anyone posting on here actually sympathises with the utterly barbaric and repressive theocratic regime in Iran and I think it's rather insulting to suggest that posters who are questioning the wisdom and purpose of the air-strikes are commiserating with the regime and its architects.

Trump has, basically, said, 'OK folk, it's up to you now' and, as there does not appear to be any organised or co-ordinated opposition ready to take over in this scenario, it's obviously not going to be a smooth transition. There will be those who remain loyal to the now-dead Khamenei and the regime, so there is now a power vacuum and if the Islamic Revolutionary Guard or the military begins to splinter, or whatever, then there's the risk of armed conflict.

And how do the American people, whether Republican or Democrats, feel about the possibility of sending their menfolk, yet again, to fight yet another foreign war?
"The lives of courageous American heroes may be lost and we may have casualties. That often happens in war". That last sentence is so fatuous - so easy to say when it's not your sons who will be among the casualties... and this, after him previously berating Biden for being incapable of 'negotiating' when he was considering so-called 'last resort' strikes

... or maybe we're not supposed to think of these complexities for fear of being accused of supporting the regime? Because that’s exactly what it sounds like says Oreo.

Absurd.

I think he has been considering it for a long time. I was furious when he told the Iranians he was with them and then wasn't. I have no idea how this will go, but I had also no idea how non intervention would go, and nobody seemed too worried about that.

If it was a considered action that was endorsed by Congress and the rationale, consequences for Iran and the surrounding countries explained, and had it been communicated clearly in advance I’d be inclined to agree Galaxy, but it wasn’t. Trump considering something for a period does not mean the action is sensible, far from it,

Somebody needs to dispose of these vile men Netanyahu and trump…just look at facts.
Israel killed and still killing Palestinians supposedly to rid them of Hamas…..strange then that Israel could pinpoint exactly where the Ayatollah was but not Before killing their favourite targets innocent children in a school!
AS for the orange one he needs locked away for the safety of the rest of the world..he clearly has no mental capacity.
When will we learn ,regime change in a country is not our business or do you think Iraq was a success?
I,m horrified by the jingoistic nature of some posts on here.

Dickens hear, hear!

Thank God the UK has a safe and steady and intelligent leader in Keir Starmer.

Oreo

Casdon

Oreo

Maremia

Why are so many Posters jumping to the conclusion that any on here support the Iranian regime?

Hmm, I wonder!
Because that’s exactly what it sounds like.

No, it doesn’t, except to those who are naive enough to believe that Trump has thought through what happens next. I doubt there is a single person who condoned the dictatorship and oppression in Iran, but we differ on how best to move to a better future.
I get really fed up with the ‘right and wrong’ that keeps being perpetrated by some on here.

My comment was tongue in cheek, as logically there wouldn’t be any extreme Islamists on this thread who supported a murderous regime.
What it does sound like however is a mixture of things: those who never support military action, possibly old CND adherents, those who only worry about the price of petrol or goods in the shops here, those who ‘always keep a hold of nurse for fear of finding something worse’ ( which stymies any action) those who dislike Trump so much that they would never get behind anything he instigated, those who have anti Israel bias ( shock, gasp!) also those who worry about people stuck in hotels in Dubai and surrounding areas, and those who worry about military personnel.

Just for you Dickens

Labradora

Thank God the UK has a safe and steady and intelligent leader in Keir Starmer.

Is that a joke?

paddyann54

Somebody needs to dispose of these vile men Netanyahu and trump…just look at facts.
Israel killed and still killing Palestinians supposedly to rid them of Hamas…..strange then that Israel could pinpoint exactly where the Ayatollah was but not Before killing their favourite targets innocent children in a school!
AS for the orange one he needs locked away for the safety of the rest of the world..he clearly has no mental capacity.
When will we learn ,regime change in a country is not our business or do you think Iraq was a success?
I,m horrified by the jingoistic nature of some posts on here.

Sing another tune would you.

Thank you Dickens.

Nobody on this thread supports the Iranian regime, but we should and must discuss the legality and possible consequences of Trump and Netanyahu waging war on Iran not least the increasing body count of innocent Iranians and what could become an increasing body count of innocent civilians in other Middle Eastern countries.

Galaxy

I think he has been considering it for a long time. I was furious when he told the Iranians he was with them and then wasn't. I have no idea how this will go, but I had also no idea how non intervention would go, and nobody seemed too worried about that.

I was spitting feathers when he told Iranian people he was with them, then didn’t act.
At last he has now.It may be that putting the ships and military in place took the time.

In Sydney the Iranians are throwing a big party and cheering together because that murderous man is dead. He has killed. hundreds of people . If you support someone like that then why not go and live under his regime? Totally and utterly disgusted that anyone thinks the regime in Iran was good and should just be left to prosper. I am horrified by comments here.

Not hundreds of people, untold thousands and probably in his years at the top over a million.

Oreo

Labradora

Thank God the UK has a safe and steady and intelligent leader in Keir Starmer.

Is that a joke?

No. It's what I actually think, I'm afraid.