Israel and US hit Iran

I can see both sides of the coin here, the jubilant Iranians just thankful that the Supreme Leader of a brutal regime has now been killed, and those who see resonances with this and what happened in Iraq, fearing a vacuum that can result in terrible turmoil and even worse extremism in the region. I really don’t know which way this will go, none of us do, Iranians included.
But will the chants of joy by Iranians turn to animosity towards the US and Israel as the deaths of innocent Iranians increase and support for this war decreases exponentially? And will these proud and intelligent people balk at having the US shoehorn a new leader in?
Iran has a chequered history with the US prior to the revolution. Indeed it was meddling by the US that led to the revolution. If anyone wants to google operation Ajax in Iran they will get sone idea of this.
I just hope this will be the end of the brutal repression of the Iranian people and would love to celebrate but will wait and see.

Oil tankers are unable just now to sail through the 'Strait of Hormuz',

Haven't been keeping up with overseas news.
Are they still dancing in the streets of Columbia?

I do not think anyone is doubting the sheer awfulness of the regime in Iran, the misery being suffered by its people and the need for change.
But bombing out one lot of leaders does not achieve lasting change for the better. There are more religious nutters queuing up to reinforce the existing warped values, and there is no credible opposition to bring in real positive change.
Innocent people are being killed with no credible plan to improve the lives of the Iranian people or the safety of neighbouring countries and other targets.
There can be no justification for once again pursuing a destructive policy with no long term plans for peace and security in the region. And certainly pursuing this unlawfully and led by a man who is known to be as mad as the ayatollah is a disaster.

Oreo

Maremia

Why are so many Posters jumping to the conclusion that any on here support the Iranian regime?

Hmm, I wonder!
Because that’s exactly what it sounds like.

No, it doesn’t, except to those who are naive enough to believe that Trump has thought through what happens next. I doubt there is a single person who condoned the dictatorship and oppression in Iran, but we differ on how best to move to a better future.
I get really fed up with the ‘right and wrong’ that keeps being perpetrated by some on here.

Maremia

Oil tankers are unable just now to sail through the 'Strait of Hormuz',

This will lead to another cost of living crisis that could easily outstrip what happened when Russia invaded Ukraine. I only hope those supporting this war will be happy to countenance this.

Yes. I will fallingstar. Without a moments hesitation.
There are many considerations but for me that us not one of them. That makes me very fortunate I guess.
In the sane way I supported any contributions to the war in Ukraine.

The naivity with regard to Trump's financial involvement in the Middle East is breath taking. The Washington Post has reported today that US Intelligence had said there was no threat from Iran but Saudi Arabia's Prince MBS had made repeated phone calls to Trump urging him to attack Iran. The Prince who had Kashoggi killed and dismembered in the Saudi Embassy in London, that nice guy who runs a really liberal gulf stated where woman are second class citizens, who had 356 people executed in 2025 (worth looking up what they were convicted of) but who has tons of money which he is happy to invest in Jared Kushner's wealth fund (2 billion dollars from Saudi Arabia's Sovereign fund just for starters!) . Oh, Netanyahu was also on the phone asking Trump to attack Iran but that's normal, Trump seems happy to do most things that Netanyahu wants (seems happy to placate Putin too but that's a different story, or is it?)
Yup, total naivity to imagine that Trump has started this war because he cares about the Iranian people. It's all about the money, (have a look at what Trump is doing in Qatar with cryto currency, it's so handy for receiving bribes etc) it conveniently takes the spotlight off the Epstein files (but not for long, I suspect) and does he hope it will improve his ratings, which are rock bottom? Anyone know if Trump has got his plane from the Qatari's yet?

Fallingstar
I listened to the whole series of Operation Ajax on Radio 4.
It only compounded my opinion of the CIA/USA. So no surprises.

Unfortunately, he did make plans.
Apparently, after the 12 day war last summer, he appointed three named successors, and later devised four layers of military and logistic command so that the Regime could survive after his expected assassination.

Galaxy

Yes. I will fallingstar. Without a moments hesitation.
There are many considerations but for me that us not one of them. That makes me very fortunate I guess.
In the sane way I supported any contributions to the war in Ukraine.

Glad to hear it. We can also weather the storm but I fear that very many will suffer because of another hike in the cost of living.
I know that the cost to Iranians has been so much higher over decades but this will become a huge problem for governments in the west.

Fallingstar

Maremia

Oil tankers are unable just now to sail through the 'Strait of Hormuz',

This will lead to another cost of living crisis that could easily outstrip what happened when Russia invaded Ukraine. I only hope those supporting this war will be happy to countenance this.

It doesn’t change my opinion at all.

Another 'weapon' in the Iranian arsenal is their skill at hacking our infrastructure.
Will they use that?

Sorry, I missed the reply, are they still dancing in the streets of Columbia, or did violent local gangs take over?

Did not doing anything stop Iranians being slaughtered by their own regime. There is no way to be the 'good guys'. Sorry but there isn't.

I agree with your analysis of these events, foxie.

Yes foxie, good post.

petra

Fallingstar

Maremia

Oil tankers are unable just now to sail through the 'Strait of Hormuz',

This will lead to another cost of living crisis that could easily outstrip what happened when Russia invaded Ukraine. I only hope those supporting this war will be happy to countenance this.

It doesn’t change my opinion at all.

Mine neither, how small minded would one have to be to bring everything down to the price of petrol or other goods!

Maremia

Unfortunately, he did make plans.
Apparently, after the 12 day war last summer, he appointed three named successors, and later devised four layers of military and logistic command so that the Regime could survive after his expected assassination.

This.

With no organised opposition and an already implemented new command structure it seems that there is not much hope for change coming from inside Iran. The forces of violent repression still exist and have already demonstrated that they have no compunction about killing thousands of their own citizens. Maybe they could have been diverted from killing their own dissidents had Iran been invaded by an actual boots on the ground army to repulse, but without that what are air attacks going to achieve?

Good points foxie. Of course is very naive to assume Trump and Netanyahu are behaving altruistically. Am sure most Iranians know this too, so unless there is a grass roots counter movement in Iran with credible opposition leaders ready to step into a vacuum they also know that this war will stop short of replacing ing the regime but that they will simply get a slightly tweaked version of what they have already suffered, but with a supreme leader that negotiates with Trump.

Maremia Venezuela is old news now, great headlines though for a few days! Despite an amnesty thousands of political prisoners are still locked up in jail in appalling conditions. Plus ca change! Trump's probably forgotten where it is and why he sent troops in there. Greenland has been put on the back burner for now, he's keeping that for later. No, it's all about Iran now, except as it's Sunday he'll be playing golf, he needs his relaxation as he'll be exhausted after bombing Iran.

Fallingstar

I understand that regime change is needed in Iran but am not sure this is the way. If innocent civilian lives mount up, which they probably will, the population may cease to see this as liberation and rally round the regime and the military.
It could just go horrendously wrong and the cost to human lives will high.

The Guardian quotes that 30,000 were murdered ( my word) in the last uprising.

When has western enforced regime change achieved a positive outcome for the people?
Libya?
Afghanistan?
Iraq?
Syria?
The list goes on . . .

Meanwhile under all the politics and rhetoric, innocent civilians are suffering, tourists are sheltering in their hotels listening to explosions and my cousin's grandson is a pilot with Emirates in Dubai. His family in the UK are very worried.

Not intervening in Syria was a disaster.
Leaving Afghanistan was a disaster.