Israel and US hit Iran

Exactly my thoughts WWM Trump keeps changing his reasons for going to war and what his objectives are. TBH I think we get a much clearer idea of what is really going on by looking at what Netanyahu says as I can't help but think that he's the driving force behind all this. Netanyahu isn't concerned with the lives of ordinary Iranians, he's interested in staying in power and staying out of prison. The headlines in today's Haaretz is "Hegseth vows sheer destruction of Radical Islamist Iranian Adversaries". No doubt whilst Israel is at war there won't be an election and headlines like this won't do Netanyahu any harm at all!

Oreo

Presumably they will bring this war to a conclusion when they have realised all their objectives which is to kill the top layer of the regime as well as degrade all the military facilities.

You must be the only one in the world including Trump who actually know what the objectives are.

Presumably they will bring this war to a conclusion when they have realised all their objectives which is to kill the top layer of the regime as well as degrade all the military facilities.

foxie48

Hegseth has said that anyone appointed to become the Supreme Ruler of Iran will be eliminated. I think this demonstrates that the US and Israel have no intention of negotiating with Iran so how do they bring this war to a conclusion?

It doesn’t need any demonstration the US said two days ago that there’s no talking to be done now.
Which of course there never would be with such a regime in any case.

I think it is getting totally out of hand. A US submarine has sunk an Iranian ship.

He's alienating some of his MAGA supporters, several influential people in the MAGA movement are very anti this war and are active on social media. Trump's said he wouldn't get America involved in wars as an important plank of his "America First" agenda clearly he's changed his mind!

Has he forgotten about Greenland? Or is all of this invading stuff a result of him not being allowed to have Greenland?

imaround

Did anyone have Ecuador on their cards of "who is Trump going to attack next"? I didn't
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www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/mar/04/us-military-action-operation-ecuador

Cuba has been mentioned as well as in Trumps sights

Ecuador??? Is that him bored already?

Fallingstar

imaround

Did anyone have Ecuador on their cards of "who is Trump going to attack next"? I didn't
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www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/mar/04/us-military-action-operation-ecuador

Oh, so the US obviously has a big enough defence budget to fight several countries at once?
Or should I say the ordinary Americans will pay through the nose for these escapades.
I really don’t know what ti say anymore imaround.
I mean who is next after this?

I mean who is next after this?
Scotland, I believe. He has destroyed part of the coastline in the area he owns already.

Hegseth has said that anyone appointed to become the Supreme Ruler of Iran will be eliminated. I think this demonstrates that the US and Israel have no intention of negotiating with Iran so how do they bring this war to a conclusion?

foxie48

This war is not about regime change, if it is, it is poorly planned, badly executed and completely under estimates the extent to which the Iranian Islamic state has complete control of the country. There is no organised opposition and Trump's call to citizens to take over control is ridiculous and dangerous. They would just get massacred in the streets, as we have already seen.
This is about Israel and Netanyahu who has been trying to get the US involved for years. What we will see is the destruction of Iran's infrastructure and probably that of Lebanon too, leaving ordinary innocent citizens in a worse situation than they are already. Iran will still have an oppressive regime which will crack down even harder on those citizens that oppose it but Israel will feel safer.
I hope I am wrong but having seen the destruction of Gaza with little regard for the "collateral" damage wreaked by the IDF, I don't think the war in Iran will be much different.

I'm pleased you ,mentioned that because I'd read that Israel had asked previous administrations to do so but didn't have a source. Imo this is all about Israel and not the poor Iranian people.

imaround

Did anyone have Ecuador on their cards of "who is Trump going to attack next"? I didn't
.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/mar/04/us-military-action-operation-ecuador

Oh, so the US obviously has a big enough defence budget to fight several countries at once?
Or should I say the ordinary Americans will pay through the nose for these escapades.
I really don’t know what ti say anymore imaround.
I mean who is next after this?

Did anyone have Ecuador on their cards of "who is Trump going to attack next"? I didn't
.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/mar/04/us-military-action-operation-ecuador

* long suffering Iranians

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So it is feared this is the beginning of World War III, with both Russia and China prepared to double down on Ukraine and Taiwan as the war on Iran continues.
I think we all need to stop thinking this is just Trump and Netanyahu teaching Iran a lesson or liberating the king suffering Iranians, and start thinking that with this conflict already spiralling out of control that all of us, not just those in the Middle East, are going to be affected adversely by this, and at some point our armed forces could become involved with the obvious losses of life this will entail.
We may all feel this is happening too far away for us to become involved but too many people who have the expertise to analyse this are saying otherwise.

Whitewavemark2

fancythat

Whitewavemark2

fancythat

^Whether I would like the regime destroyed is entirely irrelevant.
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Irrelevant??

Sounds like a no in that case, to me.

Extrapolating that from my reply, shows that you either haven’t read it or do not understand it.

I think I am understanding it very well.

In which case you may like to revise your suggestion that I don’t want to see an end to the theocracy.

No thanks.

Oh I did have concern for the Palestians. I just didn't agree with who the oppressors were.

Oreo

I think Iran and Gaza are chalk and cheese.
Regime change would be a bonus but it isn’t the reason really, it’s about the whole region being safer, Israel included and denying the mad mullahs nuclear power of any kind.

IMO there are some similarities between Gaza and Israel however, in my post I have not said that. This is what I have actually written.

"having seen the destruction of Gaza with little regard for the "collateral" damage wreaked by the IDF, I don't think the war in Iran will be much different."

However, as you have said they are "chalk and cheese" let's make a few comparisons. Both Gaza and Iran are governed by oppressive governments that threaten Israel and have connections to terrorist organisations that operate world wide, with Hamas being funded by Iran, who also fund the Houthis and Hezbollah. Neither Gaza nor Iran have had democratic elections for a long time and citizens who oppose those in command are likely to be executed. I find it noticeable that whilst many posters would see regime change as something to be welcomed and have sympathy and concern for the Iranians, many did not express the same sympathy for Palestinians living in Gaza under similar oppression. Gaza has been totally devastated by the IDF but still Hamas continues to exist. I am very concerned that Iran will meet the same fate, total devastation of it's cities and infrastructure and the same oppressive government in control whilst innocent citizens have lost their loved ones, their livelihoods and the basic necessities of life.

fancythat

Whitewavemark2

fancythat

^Whether I would like the regime destroyed is entirely irrelevant.
^

Irrelevant??

Sounds like a no in that case, to me.

Extrapolating that from my reply, shows that you either haven’t read it or do not understand it.

I think I am understanding it very well.

In which case you may like to revise your suggestion that I don’t want to see an end to the theocracy.

Meandrogrog

Casdon

Oreo

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That’s funny as I haven’t denied it, and however much noise you make about it a very good proportion of women in Iran do want change and have been very brave to protest.Many have been beaten and tortured and raped and killed when they protested too.

Of course they do, and I haven’t denied that! As I said, it’s pointless discussing something that is as clear this is. People vary in their views. Wow.

But you dont seem to be all for the POTUS wanting to destroy this evil regime.

I am not in favour of his methods or lack of planning for what happens next. I do want to see huge societal change in Iran and for them to pose no threat to other countries. I am unsure whether that will be possible now because of the sledgehammer approach.

Whitewavemark2

fancythat

^Whether I would like the regime destroyed is entirely irrelevant.
^

Irrelevant??

Sounds like a no in that case, to me.

Extrapolating that from my reply, shows that you either haven’t read it or do not understand it.

I think I am understanding it very well.

I knew someone would come up with that sort of argument.
Of course they will, because it is true.

People are not 'happy to account for our own destitute by victim blaming'; they are realists and look at causes, outcomes and real examples.

There are very few cases of people starving, really starving, in this country, and homelessness is frequently caused by marriage breakdown. An examination of the needs of those who inhabit social housing could result in a fairer distribution of places to live.

fancythat

^Whether I would like the regime destroyed is entirely irrelevant.
^

Irrelevant??

Sounds like a no in that case, to me.

Extrapolating that from my reply, shows that you either haven’t read it or do not understand it.

"President Trump has expressed his disagreement with our decision not to get involved in the initial strikes, but it is my duty to judge what is in Britain’s national interest. That is what I have done, and I stand by it,” Starmer said on Monday.
Reported in The Guardian.
Not quite what you were saying Nanna8