Israel and US hit Iran

Yes David with all of this extreme skill and precision, why was a girls' school taken out?
Girls have no power in Iran.

Vintagewhine

He trashed the existing agreement, he's bombed Iran in January and said he'd stopped their nuclear capacity and there were ongoing negotiations.You may think he's in control of the current situation but I think you're in a minority however I hope you're right!

He knows what he's doing whether he controls it or achieves his aim is different, the US can certainly destroy any missile capability, close all ports and airports. They also seem to be able to kill any leaders that they select.

Russia is incapable of helping, Putin has enough problems with Ukraine, China will try to resupply Iran otherwise stay out of the fight because they also have problems with Iranian sponsored islamists

There can be no doubt that the Supreme Murderer would have developed nuclear weapons and used them in a first strike to obliterate the enemies of his regime and of his god. Negotiation could never have removed that threat.

Whitewavemark2

Don’t forget that Putin invaded Ukraine a sovereign territory because he considered them a future threat.

We totally and rightly reject this. It was not a preemptive strike, Russia was under no immediate threat from Ukraine and is considered both illegal and has received total condemnation from Europe and the UN.

Now we have another powerful aggressor in the form of Trump aided by Israel who have claimed another preventative action against Iran.

Totally illegal.

The reason that so called preventative aggression against another country is deemed illegal by international law is because it allows the mighty to invade, kill, destroy at will.

This was not a preemptive strike. The USA was not in imminent danger from Iran.

The Iranian regime is evil. Khamenei’s death is welcomed by many, but also mourned by many. This does not by any means that this regime will collapse. Iran is showing a strong willingness to defend itself and although weakened will not go without a real fight.

However, the law is not optional. We can’t enforce it for our enemies, but consider it to be an option for our allies.

What the USA and Israel have done will have lasting and consequence both for the Middle East, the world at large and more tragically for the rule of law. This rule of law has been unquestioned for a century or more. What will replace it doesn’t bear thinking about.

I agree with this.

Don’t forget that Putin invaded Ukraine a sovereign territory because he considered them a future threat.

We totally and rightly reject this. It was not a preemptive strike, Russia was under no immediate threat from Ukraine and is considered both illegal and has received total condemnation from Europe and the UN.

Now we have another powerful aggressor in the form of Trump aided by Israel who have claimed another preventative action against Iran.

Totally illegal.

The reason that so called preventative aggression against another country is deemed illegal by international law is because it allows the mighty to invade, kill, destroy at will.

This was not a preemptive strike. The USA was not in imminent danger from Iran.

The Iranian regime is evil. Khamenei’s death is welcomed by many, but also mourned by many. This does not by any means that this regime will collapse. Iran is showing a strong willingness to defend itself and although weakened will not go without a real fight.

However, the law is not optional. We can’t enforce it for our enemies, but consider it to be an option for our allies.

What the USA and Israel have done will have lasting and consequence both for the Middle East, the world at large and more tragically for the rule of law. This rule of law has been unquestioned for a century or more. What will replace it doesn’t bear thinking about.

"Richard Haass, who was the director of policy planning at Powell’s State Department in the lead-up to the 2003 Iraq War, said Trump was "calling for regime change, but is not assuming the responsibility for it.”

"It gives him an off-ramp, not having to see it through. So if it happens, he gets credit for it, if it doesn’t happen, he doesn’t get the blame for it,” Today's Washington Post

All Trump has to do is play a round of golf whilst countries get bombed and innocent civilians die and get maimed.

He trashed the existing agreement, he's bombed Iran in January and said he'd stopped their nuclear capacity and there were ongoing negotiations.You may think he's in control of the current situation but I think you're in a minority however I hope you're right!

David Iranians like Hamas and others feel that death fighting for your country is honour. They will fight on.
An Iranian has said the USA and Israel are evil regimes so with that
mindset they won't give in easily.

Sadly there will be many more killed before Iran gives in or is defeated.

I am wondering that too sixandahalf and also which posters are supporting Iran.

Vintagewhine

Trump doesn't know what to do, he's started something but he's not got control of it and he doesn't know what his objectives are. It's a mess just like everything he does.

He knows what he's doing for sure, destroying Irans capability to intimidate others, their missile arsenal in particular missiles. It's been planned for a long time they tried to get negotiated agreement, but planned the military action if it didn't. Diego Garcia, usually dormant was reactivated a year ago to build up supplies, this gives them a safe base to operate at will with the heaviest weapons.
We all hope Iran will see sense and negotiate but as with all fanatics they might fight on, regardless of civilian damage, Gaza is a good example of that.

sixandahalf

Where are the anti Israel and US posts please?

Anybody?

Mission creep occurring by the hour.

Cyprus and Lebanon now involved. Oil prices spiking.
This is not Venezuela.
This will be a bonfire of the insanities.

Trump doesn't know what to do, he's started something but he's not got control of it and he doesn't know what his objectives are. It's a mess just like everything he does.

Where are the anti Israel and US posts please?

Few months

mae13

Starmer gives the OK to the US to use British air bases in the current conflict.

Anything to please Trump the Puppet-Master, eh Sir Keir?

The US can use British bases to attack Iranian missile sites, this is more than just defence and close to a free for all.
Because Iran has attacked most of the Gulf states they have also been drawn in, Saudi in particular does have a large airforce capability.
Trump is talking of a long campaign - but has been known to change his mind in the last.

Starmer gives the OK to the US to use British air bases in the current conflict.

Anything to please Trump the Puppet-Master, eh Sir Keir?

A British base in Cyprus has been attacked .

Have people forgotten this?
“On 21 November 2024, following an investigation of war crimes and crimes against humanity, the International Criminal Court (ICC) issued arrest warrants for two senior Israeli officials, Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel, and Yoav Gallant, the former Minister of Defense of Israel, alleging responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts during the Gaza war.[1][2] The warrant against Netanyahu is the first against the leader of a Western-backed democratic country for war crimes.[3][4][5]

All 125 ICC member states, including France and the United Kingdom, are required to arrest Netanyahu and Gallant if they enter the state's territory.[6] The ICC also issued an arrest warrant for Hamas military commander Mohammed Deif, who was killed in an Israeli airstrike on 13 July 2024 but whose death remained unconfirmed at the time.[a] By January 2025, Hamas confirmed Deif's death, and a few weeks later the ICC cancelled the arrest warrant against him.[9][10] Warrants may still be issued against additional Israeli senior IDF officers involved in the Gaza war[11][12]—an action recommended by a United Nations Commission of Inquiry, which also called for genocide charges to be added to the warrant after finding the Israeli government guilty of multiple violations of the 1948 Genocide Convention.[13]”
From wikipedia

GrannyGravy13

I haven’t seen any pro Iran posts on this thread.

There are (in my opinion) numerous anti Israel and USA posts.

It’s almost as if some are willing (nearly relishing) the USA and Israel to fail…

There are also Israelis and Americans who are questioning their respective government's Foreign policies and actions.

I bet there isn't one poster on here who wouldn't like to now see a peaceful transition of power in Iran and the absolute end of the murderous regime - even among those, like me, who detest Trump and Netanyahu.

It is possible to hold those two views at the same time.

Only because we’ve been drawn into this with Iran retaliating. Thank goodness we’re at least working with France and Germany and not unilaterally.

Starmer has agreed to the Americans using British bases defensively against Iran.

GrannyGravy13

I haven’t seen any pro Iran posts on this thread.

There are (in my opinion) numerous anti Israel and USA posts.

It’s almost as if some are willing (nearly relishing) the USA and Israel to fail…

Not willing it. But history tells us that it will. Unfortunately.

fancythat

Whitewavemark2

Yes. It is beginning to look like it. Anarchy where those with power will dominate and repress.

It is absolutely essential that we join up with Europe.

And then do what though?

Strength through unity

We don’t have to do anything except support each other and ensure that Russia would think more than twice before attacking Europe.