Israel and US hit Iran

May I politely suggest , things are a bit more complicated than the " wrong side" and " poor Israel"

Really?

War is always 'more complicated'.

This could end today, the Iranians could commit to ending their nuclear ambitions, agree to end sponsoring global terrorism. Negotiations gave been happening for years with no agreement.

The Iranian leadership are religious fanatics are they really going to agree to anything that will end their grip on the population, at present, highly unlikely. The US can damage Iran's military, blockade the economy but that's not going to stop the police and army butchering the population. Unless there is a change in policy.

Trump will claim victory because Khameni has been killed but that's not changed anything, yet.

Wyllow3

We dont know who or what will step into his place. Disgusted by celebrations when so many are at risk of bombing, 60 children dead, disgusted, frankly,

and the little smiley emoji -words fail.

Yes it’s awful when innocent children die in a war scenario.
But don’t forget that the people who were supposed to care and protect their own people chose to kill and torture thousands and thousands just for wanting to live a normal life.
Have you conveniently forgotten that these evil bastards tortured to death this beautiful young woman for the heinous crime of showing her head.

Why does this feel very similar to Gaza? I wonder how many Iranians will die who are completely innocent either bombed by the US or Israel or slaughtered by their own military. It is so naive to imagine regime change can be effected by the US killing the current leader, it will take so much more than that. I fear we're going to see a blood bath rather than regime change.

Why are so many Posters jumping to the conclusion that any on here support the Iranian regime?

Let's be ready to welcome as immigrants any ordinary Iranians who now flee, if this conflict continues.

Lovey to see crowds of young Iranian and Jewish people hugging each other in London.

Whitewavemark2

Not at all clear what the end result looks like either to Israel or USA

Israel has always made clear that it wants to destroy Iran, but given the assumption that it actually leaves some of the population alive, what does it consider job done?

Let’s say regime change.

The difficulty here is that there is no opposition. Of course many millions of the population abhors the current regime and want change, but there is no obvious alternative or leaders to point the way. Perhaps one will now emerge. But what if the alternative is not to Israel’s liking? Do we assume that Israel will only stop when such a leader emerges. And why assume that Israeli interests is Iranian interests.

Going into a war without knowing what the ending will look like will result in another Iraq.

This is a disaster for everyone.

The tension with Israel will end when Iran stops threatening them, gives up its nuclear program, stops sponsoring terrorists.

I would have thought we all support not threatening others, Israel doesn't want to take over Iran it wants to be left alone, as we all do.

That's a good sign petra. It means any refugees are likely to be made welcome, and not demonised, as witnessed on other Threads.

Not sure of the timings, but did the Iranian outgoing bombings cease when the Leader died?
If not, then possibly some else has taken charge.

Someone else will have taken charge- maybe someone worse?

Are we all being slightly naive?

The bombings by Iran have not ceased. Of course they haven’t. We aren’t all naive, that’s why there was dissent on here to Trump’s maverick actions yesterday, because as per normal he gave no thought to the likely aftermath.

David49

J52

The UK has military bases in the Middle East. We now have RAF planes in the air to protect those bases. What will happen if they are attacked? I’m am very concerned is this the beginning?

Iran does not have an airforce capable of attacking other countries, its missiles are, so in theory our forces are at risk to missiles strikes. Any UK nationals are also at risk anywhere in the Middle East to Iranian missiles.

Our Typhoon fighters are in Qatar to shoot down missiles and drones attacking Qatar, not to attack Iran

Yes, I meant the bases being attacked, not air dog fights.
Trump has declared I know the Typhoons were there to bring down missiles.
“In response, Trump has warned Tehran not to strike back, saying: "IF THEY DO WE WILL HIT THEM WITH A FORCE THAT HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN BEFORE". BBC news.
Is that a goady statement which invites an attack?

Doesn't have to be someone 'worse', to be a bad result. Just has to be someone the same.
Same old rule, same old repression.
Just like Afghanistan,.
Just like Myanmar.
Or endless murderous rivalry, like Sudan.

keepingquiet

Someone else will have taken charge- maybe someone worse?

Are we all being slightly naive?

Yes. people danced in the streets in Iraq

for a while.

Yes, that’s what happens when a leadership void is created Maremia, I doubt Iran will be morphing into a democracy at any point soon.

nanna8

Now there is a war I wouldn't be supporting Iran. It is an evil regime. Some on here seem to be on their side which is quite worrying.

It certainly is!
The naivety about Iran is breathtaking.All the countries who mutter, ooh we don’t condone this are secretly glad as Iran bankrolls and props up every terror group going, especially in the countries around itself.
As long as the US do this right and get all the top leaders and a great part of the IRG and the ships and planes and missile bases.

petra

Lovey to see crowds of young Iranian and Jewish people hugging each other in London.

It sure was 🥰

Maremia

Why are so many Posters jumping to the conclusion that any on here support the Iranian regime?

Hmm, I wonder!
Because that’s exactly what it sounds like.

Maremia

Let's be ready to welcome as immigrants any ordinary Iranians who now flee, if this conflict continues.

Let’s not, they’re likely to be the ones who supported the regime.

There's a very good article here, which asks, "what next". It takes a bit of reading (5 ins max?) but draws all the possible outcomes into consideration, given the lack of a current viable opposition ready to take over.

(a key point of course is - who maintains control of the military)

www.foreignaffairs.com/iran/iranian-regimes-existential-crisis-and-what-might-come-after-khamenei-trump

(the Journal it is from, Foreign Affairs is regarded as a "Foreign Affairs is generally considered a nonpartisan, establishment-oriented publication")

Oreo

Maremia

Let's be ready to welcome as immigrants any ordinary Iranians who now flee, if this conflict continues.

Let’s not, they’re likely to be the ones who supported the regime.

That's assuming there is actually a regime change. Currently UK Iranians are dissidents of course.

This is the seventh country that Trump has bombed.

Social media posters have called the attack 'Operation Epstein Fury'.