Anti Muslim hostility tsar

Blossoming

Islam is not a race.

No it isn’t. But the ‘othering’ of all Muslims and dehumanising of them is the same as with racism, they are treated as one homogenous group with no variations and referred to with racist tropes, so the description of racism is appropriate, as it is when referring to Jewish people in a similar way.

Fallingstar

I really don’t know enough about this, and hate anyone being called a Tsar, surely that only refers to the royal heads of Russia prior to the revolution. Why can’t we use plain English and clarify what these titles mean.

I would like to know what these Tsars actually do and what, if any, effect they have in improving relations.

sixandahalf

Aveline

For what? The eventual enquiry into the rape gangs?

Oh give it a rest.

How dismissive of rape and its victims.

I’m quite shocked at this tone. Just shut up.

But I guess that is how some people see it.

Lathyrus3

sixandahalf

Aveline

For what? The eventual enquiry into the rape gangs?

Oh give it a rest.

How dismissive of rape and its victims.

I’m quite shocked at this tone. Just shut up.

But I guess that is how some people see it.

Just to say, I reported sixandahalf's post it was totally out of order.

How about a Tsar for those poor groomed girls? No I won't give it a rest until they've had justice and the practice of grooming gangs is stamped out.

Think this possible 'rage bait' Thread should be moderated.

Maremia

Think this possible 'rage bait' Thread should be moderated.

It's a genuine question and one that needs to be asked.

Could this cause more division?
Or will it be ineffectual?

Iranian ambassador’s veiled threat to uk re uk involvement in ‘war’ 😡

You are making the very common assumption that all grooming gangs belong to the same background.

Maremia

You are making the very common assumption that all grooming gangs belong to the same background.

I'm not, I can assure you.

I reported a personal attack, which was not really to do with the subject.

Fallingstar

Blossoming

Islam is not a race.

No it isn’t. But the ‘othering’ of all Muslims and dehumanising of them is the same as with racism, they are treated as one homogenous group with no variations and referred to with racist tropes, so the description of racism is appropriate, as it is when referring to Jewish people in a similar way.

The definition of racism is actually racial and ethnic groups,
so it includes socially defined groups of people who identify with each other based on shared ancestry, social experience, culture, language, religion, etc.

This is why for example antisemitism is racist too as referred to in the quote.

Thanks Wyllow is an oft repeated statement that Islam isn’t a race. Good to clear it up.

I wish we could all just ‘rub along’ nicely.
Life would be so much easier.

Do you mean Gransnetters or muslims and non-muslims? There seems to be an air of hostility on the forum tonight 😟.

I don't understand why an allegedly proposed initiative to improve communty is being viewed with hostility.

MT62

I wish we could all just ‘rub along’ nicely.
Life would be so much easier.

We haven’t rubbed along nicely since we stood up and walked on 2 legs.
It’s part of a human psyche to survive against real or perceived enemies.

Maremia

Is it such a dreadful thing to attempt to improve religious tolerance in the UK?
Do you wish for any disharmony to fester?

Tolerating religions is okay but religions should stand on their own merits, if they have any merits. which I doubt.

If people want to gather together to have moral codes recited to them, to celebrate the existence of supernatural beings, and to do rituals, let them do so.

Lathyrus3

sixandahalf

Aveline

For what? The eventual enquiry into the rape gangs?

Oh give it a rest.

How dismissive of rape and its victims.

I’m quite shocked at this tone. Just shut up.

But I guess that is how some people see it.

Whoa,back up. Never in my life have I or would I dismiss victims of abuse. Let's get that straight.

" I guess that's how some people see it"

I see abuse which was covered up at all sorts of levels, in some cases by the very people who should have been protecting the vctims.

I also see a rise in anti Muslim rhetoric and sneering at the idea that it might be necessary to implement the recommendations in the Protecting What Matters document.

Aveline

Really bad idea. Seriously divisive and likely to lead to trouble. What is the government thinking?!

Perhaps take a glance at the document?

I’m afraid I disagree with your image of yourself.

I found your remark entirely dismissive of the grooming and rape that those children suffered. A comment clearly intended to silence in an aggressive way.

But perhaps it is a situation where people do have to choose which of the groups involved they will support or defend.

Which is why they will try to silence others.

The Spectator has been leaked a draft copy of Protecting What Matters, a document outlining Labour’s new cohesion strategy which is to be unveiled in a cross government push next week. The 47-page paper features a crackdown on extremism and names Islamists as the biggest threat to community cohesion

It's a very silly title.

What was it somebody , or several somebodies, said, about the appointment of a 'Tsar' being divisive?

Lathyrus3

I’m afraid I disagree with your image of yourself.

I found your remark entirely dismissive of the grooming and rape that those children suffered. A comment clearly intended to silence in an aggressive way.

But perhaps it is a situation where people do have to choose which of the groups involved they will support or defend.

Which is why they will try to silence others.

I do not dismiss the abuse or any abuse. I do not defend those who carried it out.

I make no attempt to silence anybody.

Have a nice day.

I supposed the Have a nice day - another well used dismissive comment, was intended to goad.

I suppose it did a little bit because I am replying to it.

Still, it removed any small doubt I might have had.

TheSunRisesInTheEast

Do you mean Gransnetters or muslims and non-muslims? There seems to be an air of hostility on the forum tonight 😟.

Is that to me TSRITE? If so, I do mean everyone in the country.