Anti Muslim hostility tsar

I could point out that mhari black and nadia whittome became mps ( not councillors) at 20 and 23 respectively, but as I thought they were both utterly useless I am not sure what point I am making

I think some life experience may of use in politics but I'm all for young people getting opportunities.

George Finch appears to be hopeless.

It's very different indeed voting or being a councillor!

Trouble is some people are no more fit to vote at say 25 than 16 - it depends on levels of awareness of issues they are voting on, doesnt it?. I know people of 40 who cast their vote but say, "oh, I can be bothered following politics".

sixandahalf

Have you bothered to read the ideas being put forward at all?

I don't think so.

It is not about special status, it appears to contain some pretty sensible ideas such as review English Language provision,citizenship classes in schools and asserting British values.

A big vote loser seems to be the 19 year old Reform councillor.

What is wrong with a nineteen year old being a councillor? Starmer wants to change the law so that sixteen year olds can vote- can’t have it all roads!
Not that I agree with any of it.
I think it should be changed to twenty-one to vote, or become a councillor.

roll out of SOME of the plans-

Freya5 15.02 "See I like to read around it, get different opinions, not swallow what this Gov are trying to force on us and the end if it gets accepted is very very scary"

What do you feel the Government is forcing on us? What is the outcome of this government plan that you find very, very scary?

Allira has helpfully provided the link for the "Cohesion Action Plan; Protecting what Matters" to the government document to read round the plans and the role of the and the purpose of the anti Muslim hostility Tsar. That is the person that will have responsibility to oversee the progress of the roll out and implantation of the various plans. This has just been published and being discussed in HoC today.

It sets out the governments approach to building, stronger, more cohesive communities across the country including addressing high street decline, tackling low level crime- shoplifting and phone theft etc etc. It is for all communities and all community groups- to improve integration and cohesion. It sets out a variety of plans to address immigration and integration ( eg. English Language and citizen lessons to refugees to promote integration and community values, closure of hotels to house asylum seekers etc), tackling extremism, education and local investment. The plans seek to direct £5 billion in funding over the next decade to more than 200 communities.

The Guardian, The I paper largely welcomes the Government's plans. Even the Daily Telegraph has covered the evolving debate around the new definition of anti muslim hostility in depth and quotes the Commons statement setting out the Government's duty to act in the face of a record high in the year ending March 2025 or religious hate crimes- whilst protecting free speech and expression. The Spectator published an article about the anti Muslim hostility Tsar role and its purpose. Farage?GB news has raised fears about freedom of speech but the plans specifically seek to protect freedom of speech and expression. As Farage/Reform's very existence predominantly relies on the premise of provoking anti immigrant rhetoric in communities you might expect this kind of response.

Surely no one wants to see a further increase in religious hate crimes and hostility in communities? Would anyone disagree with any of the plans outlined to promote support for communicates as outlined? If so which and why? Some of the plans even mirror Reform pledges- e.g. plans to address low level crime such as shoplifting and phone theft etc?

My research approach, as well of course reading, is to actually talk ! gasp! to the men and women who happen to be muslim at the gym, in both all women and mixed interfaith meetings, at political and social events, my hairdresser, local city councillors.

And you will find, as I have found, they "they" as you like to put it, are simply different sorts of human beings like all are.

You seem to collect the horror stories and lovingly ponder over them - and only ever mention them? It seems that way, for there is so very much good going on with the people that I have met.

Good and bad everywhere I say.

sixandahalf

*S orry but I would rather listen to someone moderate in all of this debate*

Sorry but I would rather stop , think, research and read before saying that Muslims want to be a special case. I'm not sure the Muslim brotherhood is part of the government? Maybe you know more.

Research away, I have, key parties involved, including the MAF, remember the poor teacher in Batley, still having to hide, and
then they got a film shut down. This is the UK. Never ever in my life have I come across anything like it.
Teehreek Labaik, from UK wing of Pakistani extremist group, noted in gov publications and promoting anti blasphemy laws Here.
Not all are happy including Humanists UK.
See I like to read around it, get different opinions, not swallow what this Gov are trying to force on us and the end if it gets accepted is very very scary.

S orry but I would rather listen to someone moderate in all of this debate

Sorry but I would rather stop , think, research and read before saying that Muslims want to be a special case. I'm not sure the Muslim brotherhood is part of the government? Maybe you know more.

Here's a link.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/protecting-what-matters-towards-a-more-confident-cohesive-and-resilient-united-kingdom/protecting-what-matters-towards-a-more-confident-cohesive-and-resilient-united-kingdom

Freya 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

sixandahalf

Have you bothered to read the ideas being put forward at all?

I don't think so.

It is not about special status, it appears to contain some pretty sensible ideas such as review English Language provision,citizenship classes in schools and asserting British values.

A big vote loser seems to be the 19 year old Reform councillor.

A rather rude response, to whom ever you were responding to, or just a generalistion. S orry but I would rather listen to someone moderate in all of this debate. Are they also going to have an anti Jewish hate czar, as I can see it they are the ones that need protecting. I see hateful anti jewish protest in the guise of now lamenting a murderous tyrant on our British streets. We got rid of blasphemy laws years ago, now this anti British Gov want to bring it back in by nefarious means. I do ask how much the muslim brotherhood have been involved in
this? How much of this is to garner Muslim votes.

Have you bothered to read the ideas being put forward at all?

I don't think so.

It is not about special status, it appears to contain some pretty sensible ideas such as review English Language provision,citizenship classes in schools and asserting British values.

A big vote loser seems to be the 19 year old Reform councillor.

As a moderate Muslim , Fiyaz Mughal, founder of Tell Mama., I was listening to him talking, there are adequate laws already to combat any hate crimes, against anyone, why are amuslims being given special Status, this is so terribly wrong, and will bring about even more division to our country, and a special status to one religion and not others, including our state religion, Christianity. Think this is a big vote loser amongst the Majority of voters, hopefully.

Thanks sixandahalf.

If you Google Protecting What Matters Islam, it will take you to a summary.

When I look this up, I get something about home investments.

'Protecting What Matters', is that the name of the proposal to create the tsar?

You are 💯 right Allira

TheSunRisesInTheEast

Fair enough, but there is also hostility on here, let's try to respond to one another in a respectful way, even if our views differ, someone being told to "give it a rest" and "shut up" is rude and unwarranted (not aimed at you, MT62.)

Oh I see my post might be read differently from intended.

When I said ‘Just shut up” I meant it as a paraphrase of “Give it a rest” to emphasise how dismissive and contemptuous ‘Give it a rest” is.

I wasn’t intending to say the poster should shut up but I can see it reads like that now.

Caleo

petra

MT62

I wish we could all just ‘rub along’ nicely.
Life would be so much easier.

We haven’t rubbed along nicely since we stood up and walked on 2 legs.
It’s part of a human psyche to survive against real or perceived enemies.

'Rubbing along nicely ' is not end in itself but is a skill that humans have learned for the purpose of arriving at moral and practical consensus.

Agreement at all costs and in all circumstances is not good,

We don't need to agree at all costs and in all circumstances but if everyone respected each others' choices without trying to inflict their own views on others and without oppressing those who do not agree with them, it could be a start.

petra

MT62

I wish we could all just ‘rub along’ nicely.
Life would be so much easier.

We haven’t rubbed along nicely since we stood up and walked on 2 legs.
It’s part of a human psyche to survive against real or perceived enemies.

'Rubbing along nicely ' is not end in itself but is a skill that humans have learned for the purpose of arriving at moral and practical consensus.

Agreement at all costs and in all circumstances is not good,

I agree with you there Caleo

LauraNorderr

Will this help or will it create further resentment?
Does it create the perception that some groups receive special treatment.

This is a serious topic. I regret that some replies are not thoughtfully objective as Laura's question deserves, but are all about taking personal offence .

Fair enough, but there is also hostility on here, let's try to respond to one another in a respectful way, even if our views differ, someone being told to "give it a rest" and "shut up" is rude and unwarranted (not aimed at you, MT62.)