First of all, this is not an anti-semitic post, I have no issues with the Jewish faith or with the people of Israel, I do , however, have huge issues with Netanyahu and his current government. Below is taken from today's Washington Post and outlines what Trump has agreed to during his first term and to date in his second term. IMO, the war being conducted in Iran ATM is basically to Netanyahu's and Israel's benefit, not really to the benefit of the US. So why does Trump act as he does? Surely it's not just to appease American Jews as it is alienating far more American voters?
"Through five years in the White House, Trump answered some of their biggest prayers. He moved the American Embassy to Jerusalem, recognized Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights and ripped up the Iran nuclear deal. U.N. funding for Palestinian refugees was gutted. Jewish settlers in the West Bank, once condemned by Washington, are now getting their own U.S. passport office."
No way should we be following a man who is a war criminal into an illegal war.
Trump’s father was close to Netanyahu so taking that into account alongside the fact that the US Govt is heavily influenced by AIPAC which is considered one of the most powerful lobbying groups in Washington, D.C.. It works to influence politicians' votes, secure U.S. aid for Israel, and shape Middle East policy. It has been described as a "major force" in shaping U.S. policy in the Middle East, able to push legislation through Congress with broad support - that’ll give you a good idea why.
I sometimes wonder if it had been far more sensible to carve off a piece of the USA and given it to the Jews, instead of the Middle East.
It would have saved a great deal of hassle for everyone concerned imo.
Whitewavemark2
I sometimes wonder if it had been far more sensible to carve off a piece of the USA and given it to the Jews, instead of the Middle East.
It would have saved a great deal of hassle for everyone concerned imo.
This is exactly what I said to my husband the other day. It is so sad that a peaceful solution cannot be found.
I think at the time, locations in South America were being considered.
Maremia
I think at the time, locations in South America were being considered.
Yes, now you’ve said that I remember it.
It’s the view of people I know and consider extreme left leaning, thst a Jewish homeland in America should have been set up post ww2.
The main problem with this imo, is America is nit, never has been a historical Jewish homeland. In the Warsaw and other ghettos, Jewish people were talking about their need to return to the area of the Middle East that had been their homeland before they were driven out.
The USA has over the centuries become the sanctuary for many persecuted religious groups, and I find the history of the setting up and development of the nation quite fascinating. I doubt whether Trump knows or cares about that though.
Yes, hiraeth in Wales
Jewish people were talking about their need to return to the area of the Middle East that had been their homeland before they were driven out
Now other people are being driven out and starved.
Iam64
It’s the view of people I know and consider extreme left leaning, thst a Jewish homeland in America should have been set up post ww2.
The main problem with this imo, is America is nit, never has been a historical Jewish homeland. In the Warsaw and other ghettos, Jewish people were talking about their need to return to the area of the Middle East that had been their homeland before they were driven out.
My musings were purely hypothetical of course.
My thoughts were that the Jewish folk would have been more welcomed, without the resentment over the years, and lived in peace, although I suppose anyone whose land was taken away from them to give to another would be a tad peeved.
Personally I’d trade peace for religious doctrine every day of the week.
I think that the main argument for the Israeli settlement would have come from the Zionists who had largely won the argument at the beginning of the century.
Whitewavemark2
Maremia
I think at the time, locations in South America were being considered.
Yes, now you’ve said that I remember it.
South America as a Jewish homeland ? That was never going to happen, they decided it was going to be Palestine, fought for it and won.
Since 1947 they have armed themselves with nuclear weapons as deterrent, they are there to stay, we have seen how effective they are with conventional weapons. If the US was not supporting them nobody should doubt they would use nuclear weapons if invaded, That is why the US is giving aid to surrounding Arab nations - to leave Israel alone. We are seeing what the current conflict is doing to global trade, think what nuclear strikes could do, it could close the gulf for years.
Is anyone able to post that map of how Israel was supposed to be 'shared' after the creation of the State?
I only came to it recently, and was astonished at how much land has been lost by the Palestine people since then.
Maremia
Is anyone able to post that map of how Israel was supposed to be 'shared' after the creation of the State?
I only came to it recently, and was astonished at how much land has been lost by the Palestine people since then.
Is this any help? An article from the BBC with maps
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-54116567?trk=public_post_comment-text
What astonishes me Maremia is that this is ignored overlooked. We're constantly being told that Israel's surrounded by enemies as if it's entirely innocent of any wrong doing.
The problems began when Israel was given a bigger percentage of the country than the Palestinians even though there were more of them.
Which makes their land grabbing all the more distasteful AGA.
Whitewavemark2
I sometimes wonder if it had been far more sensible to carve off a piece of the USA and given it to the Jews, instead of the Middle East.
It would have saved a great deal of hassle for everyone concerned imo.
Not a chance.
Israel is all about the Bible.
Jerusalem Holy City and all that.
The Bible, a collection of writings from two and a half thousand years ago.
And if every race and nation reverted to how things were all that time ago, ethnic Europeans would be obliged to leave all of America and Australia.
Is that a sensible proposal?
What God says goes.
He isnt going to change Jews and Jerusalem for anyone!
Indeed, and if you read the Old Testament, you will see that Israel has been quarrelling and fighting with its neighbours for thousands of years .
I am not suggesting that these were one sided fights, by any means, but living in harmony with peoples who do not share your world view has been a problem for folk in the Middle East for a very long time.
Whitewavemark2
I sometimes wonder if it had been far more sensible to carve off a piece of the USA and given it to the Jews, instead of the Middle East.
It would have saved a great deal of hassle for everyone concerned imo.
Wasn’t the initial plan to use an area of Africa?
Good point Chocolate
It might have been MayBee70. Not sure how that would have worked either.
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