Glasgow Fire

It’s the landlord who is responsible for alarms Ina commercial building .they should be linked .The owner apparently lives abroad as many of the owners of commercial businesses in Glasgowdo.
The small businesses that I have listened to ARE insured but it may take months or longer for them to see any payment,
Other local businesses including the Hilton hotel are offering workspace as a stopgap ..free or at low cost and other similar trades are offering to give equipment on loan to let these mainly young startups continue to earn a living ..
People make Glasgow …so we say …and Glasgow looks after its own.
Instead of looking down on young folk doing “menial” jobs for heavens sake celebrate that unlike some areas we hear of they WANT to work!
Just be thankful if you never needed anyone’s help on your life .

As a Weegie, I am saddened at the devastation and loss of those B listed Victorian buildings.
I wept, when I saw the dome collapsing.
I just am relieved that none of those brave firefighters, who risked their lives were injured

It has affected my three children, who are having to find alternative means of transport to get to work. Parking and driving in the city centre is horrendous at the best of times, As a result, they are having to leave at a ridiculously early hour, to get to work by bus.

On Monday, the police advised my son to evacuate his staff from the offices, which were three streets away from the site of the fire.
This was his first day back in the office, due to my critically DIL's five weeks in hospital. He should have stayed at home!
An exclusion zone had been introduced. There were rumours of emergency demolition and a fear of gas leaks, hence the evacuation.

One of my sons, DIL and Babydoll, had been in Edinburgh for the weekend, Their usual twenty minute train journey home, took two hours by bus, with a fractious toddler in tow..
Initially, they couldn't even find the bus stop, because the roads were closed and the bus routes changed,
Ripples in a pond.

As for smoke and heat alarms, someone, who didn't bother to pay for contents insurance, would probably not be willing to pay for pay for mains linked alarms to be installed, as is the law in Scotland.

Wheniwasyourage

They got there very quickly, but the fire spread very quickly too. There were explosions while the passers-by were using fire extinguishers. If you watch the video you can hear someone calling the fire brigade.

An old building with lath and plaster walls and presumably a lot of wooden floors, with a fire fed by inflammable materials is going to burn fast. In 1851 they did not have what we expect in the way of fire-delaying construction.

I live in an old house with lath and plaster walls and ceilings. I've always understood that these can slow the burn better than modern cavity walls and plaster board. The explosions and other inflammable sources would probably have outweighed these advantages. Either way it's sad to lose an historic building and the disruption to travel has been immense.
I'm sorry but I wouldn't be contributing to shop keepers who didn't have adequate insurance, that's just tossing the dice and losing. If we all followed their lead it would be crazy.

4allweknow

Listening to the many business owners within the building when being interviewed by the media, I was really amazed not one mentioned hearing a fire or smoke alarm, only that they became aware of a drift of smoke up within the building. In Scotland all domestic premises are supposed to have smoke alarms.Many insurance companies ask for declaration that smoke alarms are fitted before granting domestic insurance.

Glasgow Live - interviewed a hairdresser who said he evacuated when the alarm went off, he'd also saw smoke/ash in the air.

They got there very quickly, but the fire spread very quickly too. There were explosions while the passers-by were using fire extinguishers. If you watch the video you can hear someone calling the fire brigade.

An old building with lath and plaster walls and presumably a lot of wooden floors, with a fire fed by inflammable materials is going to burn fast. In 1851 they did not have what we expect in the way of fire-delaying construction.

Am I the only one who saw a small fire in one shop with people throwing water on - this was I guess already reported, so what took them so long to get there and how did it get out of control from there?

Listening to the many business owners within the building when being interviewed by the media, I was really amazed not one mentioned hearing a fire or smoke alarm, only that they became aware of a drift of smoke up within the building. In Scotland all domestic premises are supposed to have smoke alarms.Many insurance companies ask for declaration that smoke alarms are fitted before granting domestic insurance.

butterandjam

mae13

Maremia

Vape shops need to be vetted now to find out how fire safe they are.

Certainly!

How many more 'ticking timebombs' are in our high streets?

Or in your home. Or your garage. Or the home and garage of your neighbour.

I'm talking about the lithium ion batteries
commonly found in cellphones, power tools, digital cameras, laptops, children's toys, e-cigarettes, robot vacuums, small and large appliances, tablets, e-readers, lawn care equipment, and e-bikes

www.gov.uk/guidance/statutory-guidelines-on-lithium-ion-battery-safety-for-e-bikes

"Lithium-ion batteries used in e-bikes can pose a serious fire risk through a process known as thermal runaway. At least 10 fatalities occurred in fires started in e-bikes or e-scooters powered by lithium-ion batteries in the UK in 2023, with almost 200 fires recorded.".

And what happen to all these batteries after they have outlived their useful life?

Helping to destroy our planet?

All shops should be inspected before opening, vetted for H&S compliance regularly and obliged to have an insurance that is appropriate to the risk they pose to neighbours.

butterandjam

Granniesunite

Where was this reported
* janestheone*?

Would be good to get a link to it if possible.

I’m close to glasgow and I haven’t read anything like this?

www.heraldscotland.com/news/25923806.glasgow-union-street-fire-vape-shop-failed-pay-business-rates/

www.theferret.scot/revealed-company-behind-vape-shop-fire-had-not-paying-business-rates-or-registered-to-sell-vapes/

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/16017417/glasgow-vape-shop-owner-fire/

Thanks, aware of these reports but they don't confirm all Janestheone reported, which is why l asked her for a link.

Secondwind

I wonder who insured the building?

The building is owned by a company called Afton Estates, whether insurance pays out will probably depend on the cause.

I wonder who insured the building?

The owner of the shop may have behaved badly and illegally but do we actually know the cause of the fire? I think the owner should be prosecuted up hill and down dale for the failure to report the fire and trading illegally. Thank goodness that nobody was killed.

Granniesunite

Where was this reported
* janestheone*?

Would be good to get a link to it if possible.

I’m close to glasgow and I haven’t read anything like this?

www.heraldscotland.com/news/25923806.glasgow-union-street-fire-vape-shop-failed-pay-business-rates/

www.theferret.scot/revealed-company-behind-vape-shop-fire-had-not-paying-business-rates-or-registered-to-sell-vapes/

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/16017417/glasgow-vape-shop-owner-fire/

mae13

Maremia

Vape shops need to be vetted now to find out how fire safe they are.

Certainly!

How many more 'ticking timebombs' are in our high streets?

Or in your home. Or your garage. Or the home and garage of your neighbour.

I'm talking about the lithium ion batteries
commonly found in cellphones, power tools, digital cameras, laptops, children's toys, e-cigarettes, robot vacuums, small and large appliances, tablets, e-readers, lawn care equipment, and e-bikes

www.gov.uk/guidance/statutory-guidelines-on-lithium-ion-battery-safety-for-e-bikes

"Lithium-ion batteries used in e-bikes can pose a serious fire risk through a process known as thermal runaway. At least 10 fatalities occurred in fires started in e-bikes or e-scooters powered by lithium-ion batteries in the UK in 2023, with almost 200 fires recorded.".

Where was this reported
* janestheone*?

Would be good to get a link to it if possible.

I’m close to glasgow and I haven’t read anything like this?

janestheone

I live in Glasgow. The owner of the shop has been found. He wasn't "permitted" to have the shop - he didn't have planning permission, or a licence, or, it turns out, any kind of fire extinguisher. When the fire started he ran away. A passer by was the first to call the fire brigade. The owner says he's very upset. As well he might be. It's got nothing to do with immigration.

Where was this reported?
There is much, understandably, conflicting information on SM and this certainly isn't my understanding of events.

I find it quite irresponsible for a business,anyone,not to have insurance and expect crowdfunding to sort it out! I get it's expensive but if you cannot affordit do not set up a business.

Witzend

Aren’t a lot of vape shops outlets for money laundering, anyway?

Yes, along with Turkish Barbers and nail bars.

janestheone

I live in Glasgow. The owner of the shop has been found. He wasn't "permitted" to have the shop - he didn't have planning permission, or a licence, or, it turns out, any kind of fire extinguisher. When the fire started he ran away. A passer by was the first to call the fire brigade. The owner says he's very upset. As well he might be. It's got nothing to do with immigration.

Arslan Ali, the owner, ways he only bought the shop two weeks ago 😲

janestheone

I live in Glasgow. The owner of the shop has been found. He wasn't "permitted" to have the shop - he didn't have planning permission, or a licence, or, it turns out, any kind of fire extinguisher. When the fire started he ran away. A passer by was the first to call the fire brigade. The owner says he's very upset. As well he might be. It's got nothing to do with immigration.

Immigration aside, his illegal enterprise has caused irreplaceable damage.

ferry23

Just looking at the devastation caused by the fire yesterday. Sad to see an historic building virtually wiped out.

It appears that a small number of the shopkeepers affected have started GoFundMe appeals to replace equipment, stock and supplies, readily admitting that they don't have contents insurance.

I can't make up my mind who are more stupid - the shopkeepers for not trading responsibly and expecting others to pay for their mistake and poor business sense, or the people who have actually donated.

Both as stupid in my view.
Shows that vape shops are dangerous as well as horrible.

Thanks for the update. So, the 'immigration ' comments appear to be gratuitous.

I live in Glasgow. The owner of the shop has been found. He wasn't "permitted" to have the shop - he didn't have planning permission, or a licence, or, it turns out, any kind of fire extinguisher. When the fire started he ran away. A passer by was the first to call the fire brigade. The owner says he's very upset. As well he might be. It's got nothing to do with immigration.

No Allira, your post is correct.