Glasgow Fire

Secondwind

I wonder who insured the building?

The building is owned by a company called Afton Estates, whether insurance pays out will probably depend on the cause.

butterandjam

Granniesunite

Where was this reported
* janestheone*?

Would be good to get a link to it if possible.

I’m close to glasgow and I haven’t read anything like this?

www.heraldscotland.com/news/25923806.glasgow-union-street-fire-vape-shop-failed-pay-business-rates/

www.theferret.scot/revealed-company-behind-vape-shop-fire-had-not-paying-business-rates-or-registered-to-sell-vapes/

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/16017417/glasgow-vape-shop-owner-fire/

Thanks, aware of these reports but they don't confirm all Janestheone reported, which is why l asked her for a link.

All shops should be inspected before opening, vetted for H&S compliance regularly and obliged to have an insurance that is appropriate to the risk they pose to neighbours.

butterandjam

mae13

Maremia

Vape shops need to be vetted now to find out how fire safe they are.

Certainly!

How many more 'ticking timebombs' are in our high streets?

Or in your home. Or your garage. Or the home and garage of your neighbour.

I'm talking about the lithium ion batteries
commonly found in cellphones, power tools, digital cameras, laptops, children's toys, e-cigarettes, robot vacuums, small and large appliances, tablets, e-readers, lawn care equipment, and e-bikes

www.gov.uk/guidance/statutory-guidelines-on-lithium-ion-battery-safety-for-e-bikes

"Lithium-ion batteries used in e-bikes can pose a serious fire risk through a process known as thermal runaway. At least 10 fatalities occurred in fires started in e-bikes or e-scooters powered by lithium-ion batteries in the UK in 2023, with almost 200 fires recorded.".

And what happen to all these batteries after they have outlived their useful life?

Helping to destroy our planet?

Listening to the many business owners within the building when being interviewed by the media, I was really amazed not one mentioned hearing a fire or smoke alarm, only that they became aware of a drift of smoke up within the building. In Scotland all domestic premises are supposed to have smoke alarms.Many insurance companies ask for declaration that smoke alarms are fitted before granting domestic insurance.

Am I the only one who saw a small fire in one shop with people throwing water on - this was I guess already reported, so what took them so long to get there and how did it get out of control from there?

They got there very quickly, but the fire spread very quickly too. There were explosions while the passers-by were using fire extinguishers. If you watch the video you can hear someone calling the fire brigade.

An old building with lath and plaster walls and presumably a lot of wooden floors, with a fire fed by inflammable materials is going to burn fast. In 1851 they did not have what we expect in the way of fire-delaying construction.

4allweknow

Listening to the many business owners within the building when being interviewed by the media, I was really amazed not one mentioned hearing a fire or smoke alarm, only that they became aware of a drift of smoke up within the building. In Scotland all domestic premises are supposed to have smoke alarms.Many insurance companies ask for declaration that smoke alarms are fitted before granting domestic insurance.

Glasgow Live - interviewed a hairdresser who said he evacuated when the alarm went off, he'd also saw smoke/ash in the air.

Wheniwasyourage

They got there very quickly, but the fire spread very quickly too. There were explosions while the passers-by were using fire extinguishers. If you watch the video you can hear someone calling the fire brigade.

An old building with lath and plaster walls and presumably a lot of wooden floors, with a fire fed by inflammable materials is going to burn fast. In 1851 they did not have what we expect in the way of fire-delaying construction.

I live in an old house with lath and plaster walls and ceilings. I've always understood that these can slow the burn better than modern cavity walls and plaster board. The explosions and other inflammable sources would probably have outweighed these advantages. Either way it's sad to lose an historic building and the disruption to travel has been immense.
I'm sorry but I wouldn't be contributing to shop keepers who didn't have adequate insurance, that's just tossing the dice and losing. If we all followed their lead it would be crazy.

As a Weegie, I am saddened at the devastation and loss of those B listed Victorian buildings.
I wept, when I saw the dome collapsing.
I just am relieved that none of those brave firefighters, who risked their lives were injured

It has affected my three children, who are having to find alternative means of transport to get to work. Parking and driving in the city centre is horrendous at the best of times, As a result, they are having to leave at a ridiculously early hour, to get to work by bus.

On Monday, the police advised my son to evacuate his staff from the offices, which were three streets away from the site of the fire.
This was his first day back in the office, due to my critically DIL's five weeks in hospital. He should have stayed at home!
An exclusion zone had been introduced. There were rumours of emergency demolition and a fear of gas leaks, hence the evacuation.

One of my sons, DIL and Babydoll, had been in Edinburgh for the weekend, Their usual twenty minute train journey home, took two hours by bus, with a fractious toddler in tow..
Initially, they couldn't even find the bus stop, because the roads were closed and the bus routes changed,
Ripples in a pond.

As for smoke and heat alarms, someone, who didn't bother to pay for contents insurance, would probably not be willing to pay for pay for mains linked alarms to be installed, as is the law in Scotland.

It’s the landlord who is responsible for alarms Ina commercial building .they should be linked .The owner apparently lives abroad as many of the owners of commercial businesses in Glasgowdo.
The small businesses that I have listened to ARE insured but it may take months or longer for them to see any payment,
Other local businesses including the Hilton hotel are offering workspace as a stopgap ..free or at low cost and other similar trades are offering to give equipment on loan to let these mainly young startups continue to earn a living ..
People make Glasgow …so we say …and Glasgow looks after its own.
Instead of looking down on young folk doing “menial” jobs for heavens sake celebrate that unlike some areas we hear of they WANT to work!
Just be thankful if you never needed anyone’s help on your life .

The news this morning (ITV) reported that the person renting the shop did not have a licence to sell Vapes nor had they paid any business rates.

This is a terrible tragedy architecturally, a miracle that no lives were lost.

Thanks Marydoll

GrannyGravy13

The news this morning (ITV) reported that the person renting the shop did not have a licence to sell Vapes nor had they paid any business rates.

This is a terrible tragedy architecturally, a miracle that no lives were lost.

This is a terrible tragedy architecturally, a miracle that no lives were lost.

Yes, it could have been much, much worse.

paddyann54

It’s the landlord who is responsible for alarms Ina commercial building .they should be linked .The owner apparently lives abroad as many of the owners of commercial businesses in Glasgowdo.
The small businesses that I have listened to ARE insured but it may take months or longer for them to see any payment,
Other local businesses including the Hilton hotel are offering workspace as a stopgap ..free or at low cost and other similar trades are offering to give equipment on loan to let these mainly young startups continue to earn a living ..
People make Glasgow …so we say …and Glasgow looks after its own.
Instead of looking down on young folk doing “menial” jobs for heavens sake celebrate that unlike some areas we hear of they WANT to work!
Just be thankful if you never needed anyone’s help on your life .

The owners of Afton Estates apparently live in Edinburgh, although l imagine that could be deemed "abroad" to you 😉

Instead of looking down on young folk doing “menial” jobs for heavens sake celebrate that unlike some areas we hear of they WANT to work!
Well paddyann I've reread the thread and can't find one instance of anyone looking down on young folk doing “menial” jobs but as it's so enraged you perhaps you could link to the post/posts that do, or is this an example of your anger clouding your judgement?

Rosie51

^Instead of looking down on young folk doing “menial” jobs for heavens sake celebrate that unlike some areas we hear of they WANT to work!^
Well paddyann I've reread the thread and can't find one instance of anyone looking down on young folk doing “menial” jobs but as it's so enraged you perhaps you could link to the post/posts that do, or is this an example of your anger clouding your judgement?

I couldn't find anything either.

Perhaps it's the wrong thread?

That’ll be it Allira 😉

PaddyAnn's fantasy thread

Instead of looking down on young folk doing “menial” jobs for heavens sake celebrate that unlike some areas we hear of they WANT to work!

We certainly don't 🙂

Just be thankful if you never needed anyone’s help on your life
Definitely the wrong thread. 🤔

Going by the start of that post referencing fire alarms etc I'm pretty sure paddyann meant the comments for this thread. I'm sure she'll be back to highlight the posts that are 'looking down on young folk doing "menial" jobs" the only time I've seen the word 'menial' used is in paddyann's posts, how strange.

Which young people, though? Those starting up businesses?
Which menial posts? Why is starting up a business menial?
It's not, imo.

I'm still

Thanks Marydoll for the update.

Central station closed until at least Sunday

OldFrill

Central station closed until at least Sunday

I'm surprised it will re-open that soon.

Well done to the staff.