Mr Trump Can't Shut This War Down........

I cant see all 31 Countries increasing their giving by at least 3 times the current amount.

I cant see Canada or somewhere making up a 70% funding shortfall.

Casdon

NATO is not an economic union? NATO is not Europe either?

I think we all know that.

Iran has Trump in a stranglehold. He wants to find an off ramp and get out of this war. If he leaves Iran will claim victory even if Trump says he has won nobody will believe him.
I'm not sure what will happen if he abandons the war and leaves Iran in charge of the Strait of Hormuz.
Will he be held to account in the US for the mess he has made and loss of money?

NATO is not an economic union? NATO is not Europe either?

How will the world economy be the driver, if 70% of NATO funding disappears overnight?

Europe cannot make up that shortfall!

fancythat

People are obviously trying to fool themselves.
Those that know.

You’ve talked yourself into a worst case scenario situation, and seemingly forgotten that the world economy will be the driver, not the military might.

Casdon

That’s true Allira, but he cannot bully NATO, although he is trying with every toy in his box. I think his back is against the wall now, even the military might of the USA can’t fight lots of different battles at the same time, and they will never ‘win’ in the Middle East.

He doesnt have to bully.
He can just quit.

Actually, in reality, I assume he would need some sort of approval for that.
But considering he just walked into any war he fancied, that may not be too hard.

Or blame a government.
Or say "look over there"
Or blind with figures.

Anything but accept.

That’s true Allira, but he cannot bully NATO, although he is trying with every toy in his box. I think his back is against the wall now, even the military might of the USA can’t fight lots of different battles at the same time, and they will never ‘win’ in the Middle East.

Or hide under a blanket.

People are obviously trying to fool themselves.
Those that know.

If Trump opts to leave NATO it will continue

And worth virtually nothing.
Russia would have a field day.
A shuddering scenario.

70% less funding is 70% less funding.

Whatever tiny GDPs 31 Europe countries have
And whatever the percentages.

3,2% of nothing much is nothing much.
x 31

Casdon

fancythat

Europe is a minnow.

And looking smaller day by day.

NATO is not Europe. Trump has carried out action which was not in accordance with NATO’s defensive goals. If Trump opts to leave NATO it will continue, and the door will be open for the USA to rejoin when the toddler has gone.

The problem is he can cause so much trouble, much unforeseen, in the next three years, or less 🤞 if he is impeached, or otherwise no longer POTUS.

Thanks Casdon.

Facts and figures.

Trump reminds me of those people who have a disagreement with someone and then do a character assassination on them.
He is a spiteful mean minded weak man who can't cope with stronger characters.

fancythat

Europe is a minnow.

And looking smaller day by day.

NATO is not Europe. Trump has carried out action which was not in accordance with NATO’s defensive goals. If Trump opts to leave NATO it will continue, and the door will be open for the USA to rejoin when the toddler has gone.

Trump is threatening that if Iran don't agree to the peace plan the US will be its "worst nightmare".
He really doesn't understand that the more he threatens the more they dig their heels in. He hasn't a clue about the way they think.

Why is he so disillusioned with the UK when according to Trump today, our air craft carriers are no better than toys, the war's all but over and he doesn't need them or us anyway.

That is easy to answer.

He got refused something!

Would you be more than happy for him to withdraw the US from NATO.
And right away?

I stand by my post fancythat that Trump is no asset to NATO. Being an asset is more than how much money is contributed. It's about working with other NATO members and not trying to drag them into an illegal war, and then bitching because you don't think they're doing enough to help you.

Why is he so disillusioned with the UK when according to Trump today, our air craft carriers are no better than toys, the war's all but over and he doesn't need them or us anyway.

These are the words of a money grabbing, war mongering, egotistical fool; not anyone who can realistically be regarded as an asset.

The other calculation to take into account is that the US also supplies most of the military equipment. What is supplied is sometimes older redundant weapons and when it's more up to date, Nato is effectively helping the US to produce it's own weapons more cheaply due to volume. Nato is a good customer of US based defence manufacturers. Also, because Nato relies on US surveillance equipment, it is basically tied into buying from the US. This is a valuable asset to America. It's not just all about the numbers on a spreadsheet!

Europe is a minnow.

And looking smaller day by day.

I really dont think most people living in Europe still have a grasp of how big the US is compared to them.

Even now.

Or perhaps they do, thinking about it.
And just dont like to admit it to themselves.
It makes them feel so uncomfortable to do so.

AGAA4

Thank you Casdon those figures align with what I have read. Poland contributes 4.1% Estonia 3.4% with the US the same at 3.4%.

3.4% of a massively bigger pie!