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Europe - dare we hope?

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Whitewavemark2 Sun 15-Mar-26 08:11:55

Tomorrow the government is to begin talks in Brussels about closer ties, which began last year.

It won’t be easy, as there are areas where the U.K. has diverged, and senior figures in Europe will not be happy about the UKs attempt to cherry pick - as is our wont.

But let us hope that the utter insanity of the past decade will at last begin to be put behind us.

twaddle Mon 16-Mar-26 06:46:30

What don't you like about the bigger picture?

sixandahalf Mon 16-Mar-26 07:05:45

Ursula Whatsit? What was she dictating please ?

MartavTaurus Mon 16-Mar-26 07:45:52

Her name is Ursula von der Leyen.

It's not difficult to try writing it!

David49 Mon 16-Mar-26 09:33:31

Whitewavemark2

*Western nations have become fat and lazy on peace, cheap money and welfare*

What an extraordinary statement.

Fat and lazy yes, cheap money no.

Every time we borrow we add to the wealthy bank balances, there is no chance a more equal society. The same with foreign companies running our businesses and utilities they are taking wealth out of the UK - because we are too fat and lazy to do it ourselves. We employ over a million migrant workers because we are too fat and lazy.

MaizieD Mon 16-Mar-26 12:53:04

Oh dear, David

You can't stand the British, can you? 🙁

mbody Mon 16-Mar-26 13:45:14

Obviously no point in voting on Brexit then. Does anyone remember democracy when the majority vote counted for something!!

sixandahalf Mon 16-Mar-26 13:48:28

There was always going to be an accounting. Well, Here it is

Can any body explain this at all please?

The illegal war is some sort of pay back? I don't follow. Sorry.

Maremia Mon 16-Mar-26 14:04:53

The thing about democracy is that you get to vote again.
Would people vote again for BREXIT now that we have lived its reality?

WithNobsOnIt Mon 16-Mar-26 14:59:13

I voted Brexit as l always thought the EU was a failure waiting to happen. It was, and still is unworkable in so many ways.
The Euro was and still is a joke.

EU is bloated with Eurocrats with nice jobs. And very Brussels centric.

We also paid in a lot more than we got in return. So ofcourse they miss us.

Iti is now facing big trouble with members wanting to leave and lots of governance and unemployment problems. Hardly entente cordial?

The only reasons we should entertain it is because of the problems with Iran etc and to look at having some kind of genuine free trading area agreement.

I am always surprised how some people in this country always blame all our problems on COVID, Brexit, The Coast of Living Crisis and now the Iran War.

Yes, they certainly do affect matters but they are wholly responsible.

Think a succession of awful governments, muddle headed, weak leadership, personal responsibility and accountability play their roles

Casdon Mon 16-Mar-26 15:15:40

Gransnet is getting to me today, because of posts which are made with no fact checks. It is a fallacy that countries want to leave.

‘Desire to leave the European Union is generally low, with most member states showing strong majority support for remaining. While euroscepticism exists and some citizens in countries like France, Italy, and Poland feel their nation could fare better outside, active, mainstream political movements campaigning for an immediate exit (a "Frexit" or "Italexit") have limited public backing.
Statista

Oreo Mon 16-Mar-26 15:23:30

WithNobsOnIt

I voted Brexit as l always thought the EU was a failure waiting to happen. It was, and still is unworkable in so many ways.
The Euro was and still is a joke.

EU is bloated with Eurocrats with nice jobs. And very Brussels centric.

We also paid in a lot more than we got in return. So ofcourse they miss us.

Iti is now facing big trouble with members wanting to leave and lots of governance and unemployment problems. Hardly entente cordial?

The only reasons we should entertain it is because of the problems with Iran etc and to look at having some kind of genuine free trading area agreement.

I am always surprised how some people in this country always blame all our problems on COVID, Brexit, The Coast of Living Crisis and now the Iran War.

Yes, they certainly do affect matters but they are wholly responsible.

Think a succession of awful governments, muddle headed, weak leadership, personal responsibility and accountability play their roles

You’re absolutely right.

Casdon Mon 16-Mar-26 15:28:19

Apart from not posting facts, obviously.

mbody Mon 16-Mar-26 15:34:17

Casdon - I didn’t notice any hard proof of your “facts”.

Oreo Mon 16-Mar-26 15:34:32

Casdon

Apart from not posting facts, obviously.

Untrue

Maremia Mon 16-Mar-26 15:39:09

You seriously can't see that Casdon has posted research with a reference?
wink

Casdon Mon 16-Mar-26 15:39:44

Here is some of the latest information. There is plenty out there if you care to Google.
yougov.com/en-gb/articles/53201-where-do-europeans-stand-on-the-eu
www.eunews.it/en/2025/09/03/citizens-dont-want-to-leave-the-eu-but-fewer-remain-convinced-by-the-parliament/

Lookfill Mon 16-Mar-26 16:10:38

We donot want to rejoin the EU. They are only interested in the billions of EUROS starmer will give them. Don't forget to rejoin we will be compelled to use the Euro as our currency

Whitewavemark2 Mon 16-Mar-26 16:12:11

Closer working is not rejoining.

TBsNana Mon 16-Mar-26 16:21:00

Oh fingers crossed - if Mr Starmer manages to de-brexit us he will have my support forever!

MartavTaurus Mon 16-Mar-26 16:26:17

I think Labour calls it resetting the relationship, though that's a bit misleading because it can't and shouldn't return to its original rapport.

MaizieD Mon 16-Mar-26 16:29:45

MartavTaurus

I think Labour calls it resetting the relationship, though that's a bit misleading because it can't and shouldn't return to its original rapport.

Why not?

MartavTaurus Mon 16-Mar-26 16:36:42

MaizieD

MartavTaurus

I think Labour calls it resetting the relationship, though that's a bit misleading because it can't and shouldn't return to its original rapport.

Why not?

Because things have evolved over the past 10 years, I believe you can never go back, only forward.
A lot has changed, certainly the UK will have learned more about how our European friends view us, and vice versa.
The rapport is fractured, but it can be rebuilt in a different way.

LemonJam Mon 16-Mar-26 17:07:19

Share of people who think Brexit was the right or wrong decision 2020-2026- Published by Statista Research Department, Feb 17, 2026
"As of January 2026,58 percent of people in Great Britain thought that it was wrong to leave the European Union, compared with 30 percent who thought it was the right decision".

I'm one of the majority 58% of people in GB that the decision to leave the EU was the wrong decision...

Mojack26 Mon 16-Mar-26 17:09:11

If I was EU I would not take us back. South of England voted us out

Maremia Mon 16-Mar-26 17:18:00

In a democracy, 58 per cent is a majority.