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Is it right to spend $105 billion on Artemis Space project?

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Wyllow3 Wed 01-Apr-26 22:13:53

By the Artemis 4 lunar landing, NASA is projected to spend about $105 billion on the programme.

They had a discussion on R4 "Moral Maze". Is it a wonderful reach into the as yet not explored (it goes round the other side of the moon, as yet not seen)

Is it a glorification of a regime in trouble

Or could and should the USA spend it on their own people, and their medical and educational needs, better policing, and so on?

I very much tend towards the latter, but there is something magic about reaching into space.

Cossy Wed 01-Apr-26 22:18:56

For me, imo, it’s utterly immoral!

Allsorts Wed 01-Apr-26 22:22:02

It's natural to push boundries and reach seemingly impossible challenges. It is an awful lot of money though when you think of all the people in USA without homes and sleeping in cars etc. There is a lot of poverty there.

Cossy Wed 01-Apr-26 22:27:21

Allsorts

It's natural to push boundries and reach seemingly impossible challenges. It is an awful lot of money though when you think of all the people in USA without homes and sleeping in cars etc. There is a lot of poverty there.

I kind of agree, however, if it’s for that reason there are many many places on our own planet we could explore and utilise first.

Wyllow3 Wed 01-Apr-26 22:28:56

Just think of the number of low cost basic homes it could build, or repairs and refurbish the buildings of basic medical services that provide medicare. I cant leave those thoughts behind.

As regards seeing the other side of the moon, it can be done with sending cameras up. Amazing discoveries are being made in this way all the time, new insights into black holes for example.

Wyllow3 Wed 01-Apr-26 22:30:13

On the moral maze the one speaking against it said spend it on saving the earth climate wise. ( regeneration projects and so on)

Allira Wed 01-Apr-26 22:33:03

I think mankind (and womankind) has always explored, wanting to find out what is beyond the horizon.

I'd rather they spent the $105 billion on space exploration than on making war on other countries.

Allira Wed 01-Apr-26 22:34:03

Wyllow3

On the moral maze the one speaking against it said spend it on saving the earth climate wise. ( regeneration projects and so on)

Trump isn't going to do that even if there was no space programme.

tanith Wed 01-Apr-26 22:35:29

I agree the money could be better spent elsewhere but I also wish the crew a safe journey and return home to earth to their families without mishap.

Rosie51 Wed 01-Apr-26 22:56:14

I have always been conflicted about the use of such sums of money but thought I remembered hearing the spin off benefits have been huge. A quick google reveals:

Key benefits gained from lunar exploration include:

Technological Spinoffs: Technologies developed for space have found extensive use on Earth, including, but not limited to:

Medical & Health: Improved imaging technology (CAT scans), advanced, lightweight prosthetic limbs, and ear thermometers.

Public Safety & Materials: Fire-resistant materials, water purification systems, and space blankets.

Computing: Miniaturization of technology and advancements in computer microchips, which are vital for modern devices.

Everyday Consumer Goods: Memory foam, scratch-resistant glasses, camera phones, and cordless electronics.

Scientific Knowledge: Lunar samples and instruments helped determine the Moon's age, interior structure, and composition. Understanding the Moon's impact craters has been vital to understanding the geological evolution of Earth, Venus, and Mars.

Environmental & Weather Monitoring: Technologies developed for space have led to better meteorological forecasting, aiding in tracking hurricanes and studying climate change.

Economic Returns: For every dollar invested in space exploration, the economy has historically benefited by a factor of 5 to 7.

Future Capabilities: The moon serves as a testbed for technologies needed to reach Mars, such as testing life support systems and investigating how to utilize local lunar resources (like water ice).

Inspiration and Cooperation: The Apollo missions revolutionized space technology and inspired generations of engineers and scientists, while fostering international cooperation.

The CAT scans will have saved so many lives, although I suppose nobody can know if those discoveries would have come from other means. They wouldn't come from investment in housing etc it would have to be in direct research. I found the bolded economic benefit quite surprising.

Basgetti Wed 01-Apr-26 23:02:18

Really difficult question because whilst it’s very easy to demonstrate what those dollars could enable here on earth, we could learn a great deal from what is learned during the mission.
Wishing those brave people a safe return.

Allira Wed 01-Apr-26 23:03:26

Thanks Rosie51

We tend to forget the benefits it can bring and it's good to have a reminder.

Grantanow Wed 01-Apr-26 23:10:50

Space programmes do have learning consequences and it's not only the US which has such a programme. The cost of such programmes within national expenditure priorities is an entirely domestic matter for the countries involved.

SueDonim Wed 01-Apr-26 23:51:45

I’ve just watched the launch and it fills me with awe that mankind can create such a machine. I’ve always been fascinated by space travel, it never fails to astound me, though I have no desire to visit space myself.

I think that if humanity never took risks and chances, we’d all still be living in caves. I feel money could be found for both missions such as this and to solve problems back on earth, if there was the political will.

MG55 Thu 02-Apr-26 00:16:38

I agree with SueDonim.
Awe struck with the launch as I was with the landing on the Moon in 1969 x

imaround Thu 02-Apr-26 00:32:42

I have decided to delude myself into thinking it is a good thing because Musk and Trump can go live there with their trillions of dollars and leave us alone. grin

I can't even imagine what it is going to take for our children and grandchildren to pay for Trump's crap.

Wyllow3 Thu 02-Apr-26 00:44:30

Surely the best option for humanity is to stop the ridiculous competitive space race and pool resources across all interested - and wealthier - countries to gain the benefits and the wonders?

Redhead56 Thu 02-Apr-26 01:34:33

Since time began on earth we have been at war with each other. The human race is a disgrace wanting to destroy everything around us it makes no sense whatsoever.

We live on a beautiful planet but history alone tells us we don't appreciate it and we never have. We should be healing the damage we have done and learnt from our history.

Space travel is a waste of resources that could be spent filling in the gaps between developed and the many underdeveloped countries. Making equality of life for everyone on earth possible.
The rest of the universe is at risk being invaded by us the human race.

mae13 Thu 02-Apr-26 02:08:39

Mister Trump will think it money very well spent if it will provide further distraction from questions about his close friendship with deceased paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

Say no more......

Smileless2012 Thu 02-Apr-26 08:29:43

No it isn't right.

Cossy Thu 02-Apr-26 08:34:38

Personally, and I do understand the benefits, I feel we have a world of deserts and under the sea which might benefit all of mankind too.

Cossy Thu 02-Apr-26 08:35:10

Wyllow3

Surely the best option for humanity is to stop the ridiculous competitive space race and pool resources across all interested - and wealthier - countries to gain the benefits and the wonders?

Yes!

Whitewavemark2 Thu 02-Apr-26 08:38:57

I can remembered being glued to the television the first time around, but this time for me, it is just a news headline.

Just wish we would sort our crap out on this world.

Fallingstar Thu 02-Apr-26 08:44:41

I think we have to get our own house in order here on Earth. Yes there will be benefits from space exploration but will that benefit ordinary people or billionaire tech giants? Then again what would US governments do with money saved if space exploration didn’t happen, would that benefit the ordinary people??
Either way I don’t think anyone struggling on Earth right now would benefit.

JaneJudge Thu 02-Apr-26 08:47:19

The money wouldn’t be directed at the poor though.

At least all the engineers who worked on this would have got paid and in turn paid back into the economy. Technology and. Engineering evolves constantly, it would be wrong to curtail development.

I obviously wish America treated their own people better