Is Your Party finished?

Did it ever really begin? Deluded old fool.

Oreo

Me neither Maybee70 I just hope that Labour gets its act together with a new leader and Chancellor well before the next GE.

Not a big Labour supporter, but I'd sooner have a moderate Labour government than the Greens or Your Party. I think Starmer not getting involved in Iran and abolishing the child benefit cap has improved his popularity. A Labour/ Lib Dem coalition I could happily live with, or even Labour working with the SNP if they can't get a majority at the next election.
The Greens to me are dangerous and beoming more like a Corbyn style Labour Party with a different name and a crankier leader. Anyone who thinks legalising all drugs will solve the drugs problem is deluded, same as legalising sex work will end abuse of women.

Oreo

Me neither Maybee70 I just hope that Labour gets its act together with a new leader and Chancellor well before the next GE.

I’m perfectly happy with Keir Starmer.

MayBee70

valdavi

Would the Greens have welcomed Corbyn though? I think he would have had a lot to offer, but I can't think of many politians who are so derided & dissed by the media.
The media don't seem to have noticed that the Greens are left wing as well as being pro-Earth.

I think the Greens are extreme left wing now which is why I can’t rejoice in their popularity even though I’ve always supported much of what they stand for. I don’t like extremes of anything.

They are anti nuclear, which would destroy 12,000 jobs where I live, and have weird policies like legalising all drugs. When they set out as the Ecology Party, they were a fairly harmless party that supported conservation, protecting the countryside and encouraging humane farming. Didn't get many votes, but far differentt to what the Green Party became.

Me neither Maybee70 I just hope that Labour gets its act together with a new leader and Chancellor well before the next GE.

valdavi

Would the Greens have welcomed Corbyn though? I think he would have had a lot to offer, but I can't think of many politians who are so derided & dissed by the media.
The media don't seem to have noticed that the Greens are left wing as well as being pro-Earth.

I think the Greens are extreme left wing now which is why I can’t rejoice in their popularity even though I’ve always supported much of what they stand for. I don’t like extremes of anything.

Both far left and far right parties struggle to gain sufficient to support win a General Election. All new political parties struggle to get established, or whatever colour in the UK for different reasons- related to forming anything new.

However there is much dissatisfaction in main stream parties such that there has been/is a public appetite for "something different" that some parties are seeking to fill.

I'm not sure Your Party was formed specifically to support Palestine, trans rights and "hating other parties" though as you claim- do you have evidence of that? My understanding is that YP wanted to focus on policies such as public ownership of utilities, taxing the rich and a massive council house building programme. That is its main mission to transfer wealth and power from the few to the many. In essence to serve as a "full bloodied left wing challenge to the current Labour Party, targeting voters who feel unserved by the political mainstream That is main stream Labour Party not far left? YP definelty responded to an appetite that attracted membership subscriptions ( less said of that the better) from a sizeable number.

The reason YP has not been a success to date is more likely because of its failure to successfully launch, its leadership model fallout and the public animosity between Corbyn and Sultana. Not because of "hating other parties" or for supporting Palestine and trans rights.

I wonder if Corbyn expected it to be like 2015 when he launched Your Party and thought he'd be addressing people singing Oh Jeremy Corbyn. Instead he created a party that seemed to turn on itself and had no policies beyond supporting Palestine, trans rights and hating other parties. Like all far left parties, Your Party was doomed to fail as this type of politics has little support.

Would the Greens have welcomed Corbyn though? I think he would have had a lot to offer, but I can't think of many politians who are so derided & dissed by the media.
The media don't seem to have noticed that the Greens are left wing as well as being pro-Earth.

Corbyn really would have been better going in with the Greens. They would have welcomed such a well known figure and he would be able to help them with running campaigns. Instead he decided to set up a new party that was doomed from the start and bitterly divided.
Watching some of the Your Party conference, I felt sorry for the old boy as he must have been upset to see delegates tearing each other apart and various factions jockeying to take over the party. Also some were so extreme they regarded Corbyn as a right winger.

I would hate to see the UK go the same way as the USA where Trump and the vociferous Republicans see all leftists as mad and associate all social conscience, care and welfare as Communism.

That's our right-wing biased media for you. Corbyn was far superior. The thing that comes across most clearly is that Corbyn believes in democracy and Johnson wants to tell people what they should have. It's the Rousseau people in chains analogy from The Social Contract:

The people of England regards itself as free; but it is grossly mistaken; it is free only during the election of members of parliament. As soon as they are elected, slavery overtakes it, and it is nothing.

You can still watch the debate on YouTube, Maybee.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kEB5pqWpJw

The first audience question:

Our first question tonight comes from Kath Sherlock from Bradford.

Both of you have promised that Brexit will be resolved in the next few months but are you really telling us the truth. There have been so many broken promises can you reassure me that we will not be talking about this forever.

Six years on and look where we are.

Then questions about the customs union and Ireland, a very pointed question about whether we could trust Johnson ... and many others.

It's worth watching again with hindsight.

silverlining48

I have always thought of Corbyn as an intelligent decent and articulate person , but the mostly Tory press and media in general put pay to anyone taking him seriously and were against him from the start.

I remember the debate he did with Johnson. Imo Corbyn was far superior in it but the news media said the complete opposite.

Cossy 13.34 ; "It’s also not impossible to try and have a fairer and more equitable society and attempt to level the playing field".

I absolutely agree. That's why it's such a shame the Your Party divisions and animosity between Corbyn and Sultana played out so publicly and negatively

The problem with Your Party was it was too divided and its conference was like something out of a student union meeting, with endless heckling, walkouts and shouting. Many of the attendees seemed to be either students ot aged far left activists with nowhere else to go. Also a very public falling out between Corbyn and Sultana wrecked the party from the start.

Graceless

Well said Graphite!

I agree with Graphite, and Ilovecheese, it’s become very boring.

It’s also not impossible to try and have a fairer and more equitable society and attempt to level the playing field.

I truly respect Corbyn as a person but he wasn’t a leader, but a good honest man and we would do worse than have more like him.

I have always thought of Corbyn as an intelligent decent and articulate person , but the mostly Tory press and media in general put pay to anyone taking him seriously and were against him from the start.

MayBee70

We always need politicians like Corbyn on the back benches to act as a political conscience and I admire him for always staying true to his beliefs.

I agree, MayBee. I don't actually want all the MPs in each party to be carbon copies of each other. I've been distressed by the efforts to drive people like Corbyn out of the Labour party'

As I've said before, 'radical' ideas are often the impetus for less radical, but beneficial change.

We always need politicians like Corbyn on the back benches to act as a political conscience and I admire him for always staying true to his beliefs.

Of course, I meant elected as PM. He is and always has been a very good constituency MP.

As a long time Labour member I don't think this party ever even got going and was doomed from the start.
I never voted for Corbyn as leader because he was an idealogue first and foremost and did not really understand the times he was living in or how the British political system works. He would never have been elected because he didn't appeal to the broad base needed to win a majority in Parliament.
As a man of principle I admire him, but as politician? No chance.
I think he would much rather be growing onions or something, that growing a wide voter base.

I would bet my house that they will never become an electable force.

Your Party- is not finished yet- but hard to see how they can achieve any real momentum and become an electable force after their unfortunate start. Leadership and membership models should have been agreed and confirmed much earlier.

GrannyGravy13 12.24 - at different times, in different contexts, to a lesser and greater degree, I agree with you Granny Gravy13. But much variation.

Rabble-Rouser definition: ' A person, often a speaker or leader who deliberately stirs up political or social passions, anger of prejudice in a crowd to incite action, often with a disapproving connotation of creating disorder.

Corbyn and Sultana I don't think were particularly intentional rabble rousers- just that the outcome of their behaviours could be perceived that way. It was more a case they were opposing forces, seeking to enforce their will, in the early stages of party formation.

I would suggest Farage and Trump are the 2 biggest example in current times of rabble rousers, both intentional, consistent and sustained in order to achieve their autocratic goals.

I don't like Corbyn for many reasons but yes I absolutely agree that Corbyn is more committed to his beliefs than polanski.