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I do care, actually, and have posted as such specifically on another thread. I do care when I know the family and caring worries some have, those who have lost a partner or DH, I factor it in, Oreo

Anyone who reads posts carefully across the board will know of each others difficulties and factor them in, but sometimes a post goes beyond the pale, yet I took care to say "I understand such and such". Because the reality is that what is going on in our personal lives does sometimes affect what we post.

There was absolutely no pretence of caring in what I said.
A nasty attack, just going straight for my jugular.

Apart from misogyny- there is no evidence of truth in this tabloid media tittle tattle about AR. It sells newspapers.

The House of Commons response is they "do not recognise the claims that AR was responsible for any damage to the door"

It wasn’t me who reminded us of the green trouser suit thread! 😉

Nor was it me, Primrose. I took it to be a lighthearted remark, to which I replied in kind, Not realising that it would be seen as a challenge to come up with a bit more egregious nastiness about Rayner.

Wyllow3

I do care, actually, and have posted as such specifically on another thread. I do care when I know the family and caring worries some have, those who have lost a partner or DH, I factor it in, Oreo

Anyone who reads posts carefully across the board will know of each others difficulties and factor them in, but sometimes a post goes beyond the pale, yet I took care to say "I understand such and such". Because the reality is that what is going on in our personal lives does sometimes affect what we post.

There was absolutely no pretence of caring in what I said.
A nasty attack, just going straight for my jugular.

Well factor it in just in your head, and don’t write it!

In any case you don’t know what another person feels about a politician and in most cases it will not be affect by personal woes.

Oreo

Wyllow3

Primrose, that is sheer nastiness, in my opinion, not you as I know better, and the pressures you are under, which I greatly sympathise with:

but the words of your post. Especially the choice of photo where as a woman she clearly isn't looking her best.

I'll be direct - wasn't starting the trouser thread enough for you - picking on a woman for how she looks, what she is wearing?

Please don’t do insults to another poster under the guise of appearing caring, and don’t bring what is known about the poster’s private circumstances onto the thread, it’s just not on.
I don’t want a future PM to drunkenly barge into doors either but that’s only one aspect as she would be a disaster on all fronts.

I read no insult in Willow3"s post. Neither has she specified any of Primrose's personal or private circumstances.

Oreo

In any case you don’t know what another person feels about a politician and in most cases it will not be affect by personal woes.

We only know what posters feel about a politician as a result of what they write in their posts. Primrose stated her feelings about AR and others responded to her words.

Wyllow3 has given the impression that Primrose53 only posted what she did because of family concerns.I see it clearly.

Oreo

Wyllow3 has given the impression that Primrose53 only posted what she did because of family concerns.I see it clearly.

I did not form the impression that Wyllow3 was giving the impression Primrose53 only posted what she did because of "family concerns" Neither did Willow3 mention any "family concerns'.

Only Primrose53 knows the reasons why she posted as she did. She chose to post and others chose to respond.

I’ve said what I think about it and won’t engage any more, it’s enough.

Oh no, not the ghastly trouser suit debacle again

It's a sad day when we can't post with some sympathy and understanding on GN.

JaneJudge

Oh no, not the ghastly trouser suit debacle again

Haven’t you read the thread? No, it isn’t about the wrong trousers.

Wyllow3

It's a sad day when we can't post with some sympathy and understanding on GN.

I agree Wyllow3.

That’s why I’ve reduced my interactions on GN. Some posters seem to be consistently out to argue and find fault in other posters’ comments, where none exists. Even the notion of well-meaning kindness and empathy is derided.

Not for me, I’m afraid.

Oreo

MaizieD

Oh, not Raynor please, we'd have another trouser thread.

I think a trouser thread would be the very least of it

Don’t worry, I think she has very likely learned from her sartorial mistake.😁

Jane Judge 10.31.

Jane Judge you have read the thread- the AR trouser suit debacle was raised - and then added to with some tittle tattle about her drinking habits.

LizzieDrip

Wyllow3

It's a sad day when we can't post with some sympathy and understanding on GN.

I agree Wyllow3.

That’s why I’ve reduced my interactions on GN. Some posters seem to be consistently out to argue and find fault in other posters’ comments, where none exists. Even the notion of well-meaning kindness and empathy is derided.

Not for me, I’m afraid.

I share Lizziedrip's views and comments.

It was a post reminiscent of it is what I believe is being implied.

To return to the issues at hand: we need some info here:

There is a movement that has been forming in the LP that has actually been around for nearly a year. It's called the Manifesto way of seeing the way ahead within the LP.

Andy Burnham is one but not the only significant person but perhaps the best known - who supports it: it's basically left of centre, left of Starmer, but not in anyway hard left.

My own MP is engaged with this, and our little branch quite supportive too:

It is quite likely, in the light of this, that Burnham has not written/is writing his Manifesto, but a Manifesto that outlines policy alternatives.

I await with interest: so its not a formal group, but a "cluster", and I expect so see some interesting points arising, and will try to bring it to our attention and any further actions.

For now, we are busy trying to keep Reform out in some key council seats.

The trouser suit post was vile,

LizzieDrip

Wyllow3

It's a sad day when we can't post with some sympathy and understanding on GN.

I agree Wyllow3.

That’s why I’ve reduced my interactions on GN. Some posters seem to be consistently out to argue and find fault in other posters’ comments, where none exists. Even the notion of well-meaning kindness and empathy is derided.

Not for me, I’m afraid.

Me too, LizzieDrip.

Too much thread policing and assuming others' motives, and far too much meanness of spirit.

I could see what Wyllow meant, and it has always been clear from her posts that she is a tolerant and kind person - whether or not I agree with what she is saying, that is obvious.

Wyllow3 10.52. Thanks for that background information and I look forward to seeing the detail of this Manifesto after the May elections.

I am heartened to hear it is a collaborative plan for the Labour Party. It will carry more weight if not seen just to be an ambitious, self serving plan solely from Burnham.

Ok, last word from me on this, if posters introduce sympathy real or fake into their reposte which suggests you have written a ‘nasty’ comment because of any personal woes, on a thread how would that make you feel?
A lot of posters have personal difficulties which they admit to on an appropriate thread.They do not want it brought up as a reason why they comment as they do on the political pages.

I hope you are right about AR and that it is nonsense, it won't be the first person in parliament where there were rumours about drinking that later proved to be disastrously true. Frequently things which are condemned as 'unkind' , are later acknowledged as true.

Doodledog

LizzieDrip

Wyllow3

It's a sad day when we can't post with some sympathy and understanding on GN.

I agree Wyllow3.

That’s why I’ve reduced my interactions on GN. Some posters seem to be consistently out to argue and find fault in other posters’ comments, where none exists. Even the notion of well-meaning kindness and empathy is derided.

Not for me, I’m afraid.

Me too, LizzieDrip.

Too much thread policing and assuming others' motives, and far too much meanness of spirit.

I could see what Wyllow meant, and it has always been clear from her posts that she is a tolerant and kind person - whether or not I agree with what she is saying, that is obvious.

I’m reposting this as it reflects my feelings about gransnet. I post less. Meanness of spirit expresses it so well. Less debate or exploration of significant issues, far too many plain nasty responses, or sarcastic laughing emoticons.
Is my memory letting me down, or was this a more interesting, less ridiculously polarised place some time ago.

Galaxy

I hope you are right about AR and that it is nonsense, it won't be the first person in parliament where there were rumours about drinking that later proved to be disastrously true. Frequently things which are condemned as 'unkind' , are later acknowledged as true.

Rumours are rumours, just an unverified story that passes from person to person, tabloid press article read by some as a verified incident when it is not. Those people spreading rumours often speculative or malicious in their motivations. This is politics after all! May elections are looming and there is talk afoot that Starmer may face a leadership vote and AR features in such conversations so is a topical rumour target.

Rumours generally also highlight the negative bias of the person/s circulating the rumour.

Many politicians last week, waiting for late night votes were drinking in the bar- many are open about the hard drinking culture in Westminster. It was ever thus and Winston Churchill lead the way- see above.

Well yes but there were many many rumours about Charles Kennedy ( I am not comparing the two) those pretending everything was ok were also highlighting their own negative bias.