US troops forced to act on the ground?

He wasn't even able to say how many ships the US expected or hoped to "guide through" per day. Never mind about how long that Project Freedom might last. I don't think anyone was expecting an "exact' answer.

At the same time he stressed the "temporary' nature of Project freedom several times, inferring they wouldn't be there very long. So with 1,500 plus vessels stuck there is a clear tension and the briefing did not exactly inspire confidence in PF success. Trump- known for his impatience so my guess is that he will tire of plan if progress is relentlessly slow....

It’s not just up to the US tho is it? The Captains of the ships will be very nervous of the idea of being guided through, so it’s an unknown as to how many will choose to agree to it and what the US is able to do.

I can't see Trump hanging around. At the rate of two ships a day and there are 2000 stranded vessels how long will it take?
Taking into account that Iran will be firing at those ships this project is doomed to failure. It seems like desperate measures from the US.
As others have said who will insure ships sailing through dangerous waters. What captains will risk their men, vessel and cargo to take this precarious route through the Strait?

It’s all such a huge, awful mess and this latest “Project Freedom” is actually beyond belief.

Powerful moron starts war over weapons that may not exist, war fails, person who started war tries to show himself as solving war he started and starts a rescue, which is doomed before it really gets started because powerful moron “forgets” all the other people involved in the war he started! Man who started war very upset because other countries and their leaders don’t want to play his ridiculous, despicable war games!

Oreo

It’s not just up to the US tho is it? The Captains of the ships will be very nervous of the idea of being guided through, so it’s an unknown as to how many will choose to agree to it and what the US is able to do.

I feel so sorry for the Captains and crew and the precarious position in which they find themselves. I know “people” are the most important thing here but these vessels and their cargo will be worth ££££££

^I'd be far more interested if you have any views about Project Freedom and what's going on in the strait6

A load of nonsense of course.
The reason I am not commenting on much lately in n&p.

Like the threads/posts who seem afraid of what Reform will do[immigrants in Green voting areas].

Loads of things being spouted.
Cant be doing with commenting on much of it at all.
Wont happen. Or if does get started, wont get finished. My opinion.

Unfortunately Cossy I don't believe that for Trump "people" are the most important thing.

Are we really going to allow Iran to control the Straits of Hormuz, because once they are allowed that power they will never give it up

It means that all the Gulf states will be controlled by Iran and only trade with those that Iran allows.

David49

Are we really going to allow Iran to control the Straits of Hormuz, because once they are allowed that power they will never give it up

It means that all the Gulf states will be controlled by Iran and only trade with those that Iran allows.

What do you suggest “we” do ?

I’m not sure that there’s not a single person on here who doesn’t condemn both the Iranian regime and their current blocking of the strait, but I also don’t believe that there is any country willing to launch into action, risking their own country and the lives of their citizens and armed forces.

Thanks Trump and Netanyahu, another fine mess you’ve both made!

Why couldn’t Trump just concentrate on his own job, look after his own people and keep his big fat ego out of other countries issues.

He made the Gaza situation worse, making rash statement and empty promises.

He screwed Ukraine and insulted their leader.

He has upset or insulted every leader of almost every country in Europe and now caused this situation with far reaching consequences across the world.

Smileless2012

Unfortunately Cossy I don't believe that for Trump "people" are the most important thing.

Possibly not, but then Trump doesn’t appear to care or value anyone else other than Trump.

He utterly sickens me!

He utterly sickens me too Cossy.

David49

Are we really going to allow Iran to control the Straits of Hormuz, because once they are allowed that power they will never give it up

It means that all the Gulf states will be controlled by Iran and only trade with those that Iran allows.

Well done Trump, eh. There should be no ‘we’ about this mess he has got everybody else into, which was entirely predictable.

David49

Are we really going to allow Iran to control the Straits of Hormuz, because once they are allowed that power they will never give it up

It means that all the Gulf states will be controlled by Iran and only trade with those that Iran allows.

What Iran is doing violates international law because the Straits of Hormuz are international waters in maritime law, according to the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea
Just because Iran refuses to recognise this does not make them in the right.

What exactly is the UN doing about this crisis?

onu.delegfrance.org/no-blockades-no-blackmail-no-tolls

I don't think that is a long term reality, David, and the reasons are that Iran can only go on as it is for so long.

It is a bargaining chip

*As surrounding gulf states who are trying to sell the oil, and export it, do need the straits free and open. Some of these are very powerful and will eventually act in their own interests or cut deals. it is Trump, supposedly their allies, who have visited this upon them.

*Iran's military resources cannot last forever

*As its people are starved of all kinds of resources already and the economy failing. its getting worse and worse.
And they need to be able to trade just like any other country - they are not self sufficient nor in any state to become so.

It would be interesting to see the 14 (?) point “peace plan” the Iranians submitted to the USA, anyone know what it contained? I know Trumps response was no and some bustle about “Iran not suffering enough” or some other rubbish

That UN letter is well worth reading, Allirra. It does give an interesting avenue of alliances the way forward just to protect the Straits.

Oreo

It’s not just up to the US tho is it? The Captains of the ships will be very nervous of the idea of being guided through, so it’s an unknown as to how many will choose to agree to it and what the US is able to do.

Exactly- Trump is not in control of the Captains or their ships.

It is highly unlikely the PF plan will last long enough to get 1,500 plus ships out of the strait.....

Lemonjam given Trump has the attention span of a fish with ADHD I’m guessing Project Freedom will be sweet, short and senseless’

Wyllow3

That UN letter is well worth reading, Allirra. It does give an interesting avenue of alliances the way forward just to protect the Straits.

Good, 🙂
I thought so, Wyllow.

Away from Washington, where secretary of state Marco Rubio is continuing to take questions, a British marine authority has reported "an incident within the Strait of Hormuz".
The UKMTO's warning says a cargo ship has been "struck by an unknown projectile".
The report was sent to them at 19:30 UK time, it said:
"UKMTO has received a report of an incident within the Strait of Hormuz. A verified source reported a cargo vessel has been struck by an unknown projectile. Environmental impact is unknown at time of report. Vessels are advised to report any suspicious activity to UKMTO, whilst authorities investigate."
Sky News

Yes. It's affecting, for example, Japan, and India, very badly - and there was Trump smoozling up to India so recently.

He is alienating countries he hoped to dominate and even set each against each other.

This is not clever in world terms. part from anything else, it can only play into the hands of China:

So there is another factor in play there. Shortages and prices of oil are affecting countries in Africa, and China has been investing in Africa, and will find add on costs to their endeavours there.

If he cannot see, this, if no one is pointing this out..well...no need to state the obvious. countries will form alliances against him in order to get the oil they need. Or, turn to more self dependance, which will alienate the big oil producers who are mates with Trump - atm.

Allira

David49

Are we really going to allow Iran to control the Straits of Hormuz, because once they are allowed that power they will never give it up

It means that all the Gulf states will be controlled by Iran and only trade with those that Iran allows.

What Iran is doing violates international law because the Straits of Hormuz are international waters in maritime law, according to the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea
Just because Iran refuses to recognise this does not make them in the right.

What exactly is the UN doing about this crisis?

onu.delegfrance.org/no-blockades-no-blackmail-no-tolls

It does violate International Law, but Iran are on a war footing because of the attacks on their country, which also violated International Law.

I think it is in Iran's strategic interest to accept the Strait's designation as international waters when the US & Israel have desisted.

Because if we get the pre-war status quo back, US won't repeat their mistake & attack Iran on a whim again as they know Iran could close the Strait if they do.

'Allow'?
If only it was up to 'us' to allow.
That ship has sailed, unlike the ones in the Strait.

Trump has paused Project Freedom while peace talks are ongoing. No surprise as this plan was doomed to failure.
Iran are claiming that the US have retreated and they have won. They say Trump has played his last card.
Trump is still crowing about the huge success he has achieved.in this war.

Meanwhile, what is Netanyahu up to?