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Obviously some will choose to keep that to themselves. But I went to the polls feeling very angry today.
Local government elections are meant to be about local issues, but inevitably they do reflect what is happening nationally, but this year I feel national issues completely hi-jacked the whole local government process, Todays local elections are being seen and have been treated in the media as a proxy national elelction to confirm or undermine our current governments legitimacy.
The papers are full of long analysese of this govenment, what it has not done since being elected, how long Keir Starmer can stay as PM, the back biting and infighting between contenders for his job. Local issues, what matters to us in our towns villages and rural areas. schools, potholes rubbish collection , who cares about that when we can have another photoshoot of KS, or another story about Angela Rayner
Anyway, i was so fed up I deserted the party I have voted for for the last 60 plus years and gave all my votes to the independents, one only 18. They seemed to be the only people in this whole shamble that cares about us, the people living in these different council areas and write to us about local issues.
Sadly I think we'll be hearing howls of rage when voters realise how incompetent their new Reform councillors are. The first tranche of Reform councillors have not been effective and the long list of miscreants is truly astonishing.
Just seen that Reform have 17 MP’s the Scottish Parliament, Labour lost 4 seats and has the same number of MPs as Reform.
SNP have not got a majority (58 MPs, they needed a minimum of 66 for a majority) who will they cozy up with to form a government?
Just seen the Welsh results, PC 43 MPs, Reform second with 34.
I am not a Reform supporter, but it really is time for the other parties to wake up and smell the coffee before the next English GE…
Yes, Reform did brilliantly yesterday.
Good luck to them. It’s clear people want change and are fed up with nothing being done about issues that concern them.
Kandinsky, could you tell me what aspects of local government issues which concern people has "nothing been done" about?
Kandinsky
Yes, Reform did brilliantly yesterday.
Good luck to them. It’s clear people want change and are fed up with nothing being done about issues that concern them.
Good luck to all of us when a Reform government privatises the NHS completely. Our local Reform council have closed down the remaining NHS care homes and are talking about scrapping recycling facilities. Change isn’t always for the best. Why do people think that a bunch of millionaires with billionaire paymasters are there to help the working class? Tice is a tax dodger, Zahawi used taxpayers money to heat his stables. What have any of them done to help poorer people. Ever?
Galaxy
No one believed him Maizie, and that wasn't all his fault. It was too late by then.
Good lord. Are you implying that I approved of the appalling rightward lurch?
It was not only nauseating, it was futile in that not only did it not attract the desired voters it drove away long established Labour voters.
But then, perhaps, with your knowledge of Scottswood voters, you thought it was the right thing to do?
Reform is made up of many failed Tories and we know how well they did when they were in power.
sixandahalf
*Those on this forum supporting Reform have been ridiculed and shamed*
No they haven't at all. The mods would deal with both of those things.
You obviously missed a post in the days after the Brexit result.
A member suggested that there should be a certain level of to allow people to vote 🤬
mum2three
The turnout was low where I live, only a few hundred bothered to vote. I went into the polling station dressed in red, white and blue which might give a clue as to who I voted for.
I hope Starmer realises that he cannot continue treating the people of this country with contempt. All he's concerned about is getting every penny he can out of us and re-joining the EU.
In fairness I don’t believe Keir is treating people with contempt.
That’s who he is, he knows no other way. He just doesn’t connect with people.
A would be voter said hes a London lawyer, what does he know about my life
Of course you can say that about all leaders but Keir just happens to be in the chair.
No I know you don't approve of it Maizie. What you or I approve of doesn't matter that much. In my view Starmer was probably finished following Southport, but to be honest I don't think he ever stood a chance because it wasn't a vote for Labour it was vote against.
petra
sixandahalf
Those on this forum supporting Reform have been ridiculed and shamed
No they haven't at all. The mods would deal with both of those things.You obviously missed a post in the days after the Brexit result.
A member suggested that there should be a certain level of to allow people to vote 🤬
Oh dear, I must have missed that. That's just not cricket is it?
^Many here aren't keen on Trump and say so often so I dont think it matters if someone abroad has an opinion.^(Reka)
We talk about Trump because what he does affects our lives. I don't think the averages Australian is affected by what the Primd Minister of the UK does. Nanna8 talks about how the UK should be run.
I've reread this post and haven't seen a single example of anyone "shaming" a Reform voter for their views. Lots of negative comments about Reform but there's some about Labour too. I have made very negative comments about Reform because I believe it is a racist organisation supported financially by people who choose to avoid our tax system but who want to have some level of political influence in the UK. There is also evidence that some Reform members have links to Russia, China and far right organisations that could be described as "fascist".
I genuinely think Reform builds it's support by appealing to the worst in people rather than the best. If you take the time to read through their manifesto, the weight given to controlling immigration is completely out of proportion to the amount of consideration given to what many people would consider is more important and relevant ie the economy, climate change, health and social care, education etc. In the last year or so, 22 elected members of Reform have been sanctioned in some way for inappropriate or illegal behaviour IMO that speaks for itself.
Chocolatelovinggran
I’m not actually in a Reform area, I’m in a very strong Libdem area. However, it’s obvious from the results that people in certain areas aren’t happy. If they were they wouldn’t have voted out their current government. I don’t know why certain people can’t accept many people in this country are very unhappy ( actually I’d say extremely concerned ) about the migrant situation. They don’t want 100’s of young males who they know nothing about housed near them.
And who could blame them?
The issue is simple - house all these men in areas that actually want them.
Areas that voted Green for example.
GrannyGravy13
Just seen the Welsh results, PC 43 MPs, Reform second with 34.
I am not a Reform supporter, but it really is time for the other parties to wake up and smell the coffee before the next English GE…
... and do what? They certainly should be making it clear that Reform will abandon the NHS and that, while they will do anything to get thd working class vote they will, like all far-right parties , abandon them at the first opportunity.
petra
sixandahalf
Those on this forum supporting Reform have been ridiculed and shamed
No they haven't at all. The mods would deal with both of those things.You obviously missed a post in the days after the Brexit result.
A member suggested that there should be a certain level of to allow people to vote 🤬
A certain level of what? Please link to the post you are referring to.
The people here are clearly atypical looking at the results of the elections. It doesn’t matter in any way but it is clearly the case.
GrannyGravy, using the fptp method of voting, reform were not elected in Scotland. The proportional representation ie list vote gave them 17 MSPs, the same amount as Labour. Some scots voted for them but not enough to matter. It is a warning for Swinney and SNP though.
Not much point, it was 10 years ago. Reform didn't exist then.
Trump suggests things as insulting every day & he doesn't get cancelled (not that I agree with the suggestion - education-?)
How would you know Nanna8 that the people on here a 'atypical'? You don't live here. Although you are entitled to an opinion, its only that. Not fact
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Stuart Spray's piece for Byline Times about Reform and nature:
Nigel Farage’s Plan to Scrap Nature Protections Would Speed ‘Demise’ of UK Countryside
tinyurl.com/mwc35cba
Extract:
^At the centre of Reform UK’s policy platform is a pledge to scrap, “with immediate effect”, more than 6,700 retained EU regulations – among them the Habitats Directive, the Birds Directive and long-standing water-pollution controls that form the backbone of Britain’s environmental protections.^
Those became UK law as part of Brexit didn't they?
If so, it will require the Commons & the Lords to approve a new Bill, which I don't see happening. Another "Dream on" policy.
DaisyAnneReturns
petra
sixandahalf
Those on this forum supporting Reform have been ridiculed and shamed
No they haven't at all. The mods would deal with both of those things.You obviously missed a post in the days after the Brexit result.
A member suggested that there should be a certain level of to allow people to vote 🤬A certain level of what? Please link to the post you are referring to.
Oops 😂 missed education
And no, I will not be trolling through thousands of posts to find the post. I have a life to live.
If not, maybe the Commons could spend less time dissecting the life of a dead paedophile & get on & make them UK law just in case!
DaisyAnneReturns
petra
sixandahalf
Those on this forum supporting Reform have been ridiculed and shamed
No they haven't at all. The mods would deal with both of those things.You obviously missed a post in the days after the Brexit result.
A member suggested that there should be a certain level of to allow people to vote 🤬A certain level of what? Please link to the post you are referring to.
I think that petra missed out the word 'education'.
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