How did you vote and why today

It was "too late" before this government came in, fancythat: routes had been established, smugglers well at work:

but the last govt, instead of continuing to process people coming in, that dwindled to a minimum, and they came up with a policy to ship people off to Rwanda, and remember - Rwanda could only take 50.000 at any given time, and would not deter those determined to return, anyway - that what was inherited.

but please please when we discuss this remember that around nd 94% of immigrants are not boat people, they arrive legally, although some abuse the system, and this government is tackling this. And the last focused on boat people.

But to expect it to have all been put right within 2 years in power? Was this really possible? And how?

Twaddle you probably live in a nice village somewhere where it’s not affecting you yet.

I simply cannot believe that many people genuinely believe that a cohort of people, making up around 1% of our overall population is more important than our economy, taxes, education, transport, housing, the NHS, unemployment and crime?

I cannot not hide from the fact that a small minority of Asylum Seekers have committed vile violent crimes and I do not in any way condone their behaviour, nor want such people free to do this in our (or any other country).

Reform want no migrants nor people on benefits, even if they got their way, this would simply add to our country’s issues.

MT62

Twaddle you probably live in a nice village somewhere where it’s not affecting you yet.

MT62 you posted this at 10.45: " I come from an affluent area. We are now Reform. All business people & professions.
I did say last year, my two neighbours who voted Labour all their lives were dissatisfied with labour, have voted reform.
All those on benefits will probably stick with Labour".

It appears you live in a nice village or town somewhere also.

they’ll potentially be breaking both Maritime and International Law

No potentially about it. Returning a boat into French territorial waters without permission is a breach of French sovereignty and violates maritime law.

What could the French do if the UK did violate the law? Ultimately military conflict but there’s a far easier method. They could simply blockade ports, sea, rail and air.

If this were an easy problem to fix it would have been fixed long ago. Reform telling their supporters they will be able to fix it is selling a lie.

On another note, I see the first newly-elected councillor had already been “disowned” by Farage. Off to a grand start.

Jay Cooper elected for Sefton Council, Bootle tweeted … the Hallocaust (sic) is a hoax. There wasn't (sic) even 6 million Jews in Europe at the time. Propaganda.

Farage now says he is not welcome in Reform and must have slipped through the vetting net. Yeah, right.

First of many to come e.g. Glenn Gibbins elected for Hylton Castle, Sunderland who says black people should be melted down and used to fill potholes and David Barker elected for Deptford & Hendon, Sunderland, a “paranoid cannabis user” convicted in 2019 for beating his girlfriend black and blue.

How did they pass vetting?

MT62

Twaddle you probably live in a nice village somewhere where it’s not affecting you yet.

I don't live in a nice village. I live in a very large town, well it’s a City now, it’s extremely multi-cultural. Most issues here where I live are cause by white British people. I have neighbours who are migrants, they work hard and are an asset to our community.

Maybe put things into perspective, see both sides of a situation.

"But that’s not what people want. They don’t want them here in the 1st place. "

It may not be what you are other supporters want Kandinsky but on current voting you represent less than 30% of those who voted. I am in the 70% that don't support Reform, how would you want to represent my views bearing in mind that every constituency will have a proportion of voters who do not support Reform as well as those who do?

Graphite

^they’ll potentially be breaking both Maritime and International Law^

No potentially about it. Returning a boat into French territorial waters without permission is a breach of French sovereignty and violates maritime law.

What could the French do if the UK did violate the law? Ultimately military conflict but there’s a far easier method. They could simply blockade ports, sea, rail and air.

If this were an easy problem to fix it would have been fixed long ago. Reform telling their supporters they will be able to fix it is selling a lie.

On another note, I see the first newly-elected councillor had already been “disowned” by Farage. Off to a grand start.

Jay Cooper elected for Sefton Council, Bootle tweeted … the Hallocaust (sic) is a hoax. There wasn't (sic) even 6 million Jews in Europe at the time. Propaganda.

Farage now says he is not welcome in Reform and must have slipped through the vetting net. Yeah, right.

First of many to come e.g. Glenn Gibbins elected for Hylton Castle, Sunderland who says black people should be melted down and used to fill potholes and David Barker elected for Deptford & Hendon, Sunderland, a “paranoid cannabis user” convicted in 2019 for beating his girlfriend black and blue.

How did they pass vetting?

I find that both sickening and shameful.

These comments and this type of attitude and behaviour make me ashamed to be British!

My husband experienced these kinds of comments when he came to English back in the 60’s from Southern Ireland, he never applied for British Citizenship, however he worked and paid taxes all his life and saved our local council ££££ by taking early retirement and caring for his elderly mother for 5 years before he had a heart attack.

Graphite is absolutely right- it is illegal, the UK quite simply can't do that without permission from France.

We also know that many of the "small boats" are indeed very small and often made by materials that are not durable and highly unsafe. The very act of turning round such small, flimsy vessels, with an intention to return them to France, may risk vessel damage, collapse, injuries and death.

Kandinsky

Yes, Reform did brilliantly yesterday.
Good luck to them. It’s clear people want change and are fed up with nothing being done about issues that concern them.

And you seriously believe that Reform councillors will resolve those concerns? 😳

Kandinsky

*we have a moral duty to house them somewhere until their claim for asylum is granted or denied*

But that’s not what people want. They don’t want them here in the 1st place.
If you are a genuine person in need fleeing from persecution etc you can live quite well in the 1st safe country you arrive at. You don’t have to risk your life crossing the channel in small boats to arrive in soft touch Britain.

How dare you speak for me, and my family, what you say is simply your view, you’re entitled to it and entitled to express it. Kindly do not speak for me again in the future Kandinsky

GrannyGravy13

Just seen the Welsh results, PC 43 MPs, Reform second with 34.

I am not a Reform supporter, but it really is time for the other parties to wake up and smell the coffee before the next English GE…

I completely agree.

Yes Lemonjam, we are. We are now are getting these hmos popping up all over our area. Probably why a lot have voted reform.

MT62

Forgot to add they are both teachers
LJ

Shocking. Do they have immigrant children in their care?

David Cameron underestimated Nigel Farage at his peril; so has Keir Starmer, and many Labour supporters, continually blaming the media for spreading alarm and despondency instead of facing up to the failings of their leader. His unedifying desperation to cling on to his post is shaming; he has thrown away the advantages given by a huge majority and achieved very little. These local election results are a serious warning, and pretending otherwise, that the electorate is gullible is a huge mistake.
As is the condescending tone adopted by a few posters on here to those who do not agree with their views.

Wyllow3

It was "too late" before this government came in, fancythat: routes had been established, smugglers well at work:

but the last govt, instead of continuing to process people coming in, that dwindled to a minimum, and they came up with a policy to ship people off to Rwanda, and remember - Rwanda could only take 50.000 at any given time, and would not deter those determined to return, anyway - that what was inherited.

but please please when we discuss this remember that around nd 94% of immigrants are not boat people, they arrive legally, although some abuse the system, and this government is tackling this. And the last focused on boat people.

But to expect it to have all been put right within 2 years in power? Was this really possible? And how?

Last paragraph.

They needed to show proper will to do something about it.
They didnt. And still havent. Far from it.

1st paragraph - too late, as in too many people kept quiet for too long.
The political damage has now been done. To conservatives and Labour. And rightly so.

It’s funny how reform has done so well, seeing that no one apart from me, knows of anyone who’s voted for reform.

Sorry Nanna8 but I’m sure you won’t have seen anyone on GN criticising or commenting on the politics or politicians of other countries, often without ever having lived there. Not even when justifications are added as an excuse.

petra

DaisyAnneReturns

petra

sixandahalf

Those on this forum supporting Reform have been ridiculed and shamed

No they haven't at all. The mods would deal with both of those things.

You obviously missed a post in the days after the Brexit result.
A member suggested that there should be a certain level of to allow people to vote 🤬

A certain level of what? Please link to the post you are referring to.

Oops 😂 missed education
And no, I will not be trolling through thousands of posts to find the post. I have a life to live.

I remember that post!!

I have just see Reform voters called morons on Facebook 😲
What happened to civilised debate?

Obviously the two main parties are failing somehow and the electorate is disillusioned and thoroughly fed up with the status quo.

If we had PR then the Lib Dems would have more say. I haven't looked up the actual voting numbers but, proportionately, I would think they did well.

I’ve spent some time thinking about why Reform appeals to people.

I’ve considered that perhaps people believe their lies; are being manipulated; don’t really know what Reform stands for etc.

However, I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s none of the above.

People know exactly what Reform represents and are choosing them because those views align with their own.

That’s why facts, stats and truth don’t matter; people don’t ‘hear’ it because they want what Reform is offering.

People actually like the racism, xenophobia, misogyny, homophobia, scapegoating of the vulnerable, climate change denial and corruption.

I see things much more clearly now.

twaddle - I wasnt meaning total obliteration

Disappearing, the present participle of "disappear," means to cease to be visible, go out of sight, or pass out of existence. It describes something or someone becoming lost, unnoticeable, or fading away, such as in "disappearing into the crowd" or "species disappearing from the wild"

Cossy
^I simply cannot believe that many people genuinely believe that a cohort of people, making up around 1% of our overall population is more important than our economy, taxes, education, transport, housing, the NHS, unemployment and crime?

^

And there may lie the problem.
With the Labour Leaders in particular.
They dont beleive either.
Still.

I may have slightly oversimplified things.
But Leaders, for two decades still dont listen.

MT62

It’s funny how reform has done so well, seeing that no one apart from me, knows of anyone who’s voted for reform.

!

Oh they dont really exist MT62!

And not on this forum!

Not sure why this forum is obsessed with Reform. What about the Greens?
They’ve done very well too.
What do they actually want?
What does a Green council look like?
What do they spend money on?
What are their councilors like?

No one seems to deep dive them on here.