Why doesn't Starmer hold another referendum?

Oreo

Actually I understand why a referendum was needed on leaving the EU as there had been one to go into the EU in the first place.Why should such an important thing be just left to a political party?

The earlier refendum 1975 I think, was the first time I could vote.
This was held to ratify and secure the treaty of Rome and was clear in its intentions (I don't remember the proportion of votes necessary for it to pass) the decision had already been made by Harold Wilson's government. If the vote had been to reject the treaty then more negotiations would have taken place- so I don't think this argument holds.
Should we have had a vote on Johnson's non-deal? Maybe it would have helped but there would have been a massive boycott- the Leave supporters already detemined that Leave means Leave.
If Cameron had achieved a majority government maybe there would have been no need for a referendum, but he had promised there would be one and so decided to go with it thinking Remain would win.
We know there was Russian interference in the campaign, the Labour party were led by someone who was anti-European, and speaking from experience the Remain campaign was a shambles.
Hence the debacle and the consequences we are still dealing with.

Oreo

Actually I understand why a referendum was needed on leaving the EU as there had been one to go into the EU in the first place.Why should such an important thing be just left to a political party?

Because that is why we have elections and appoint a government to govern on our behalf.

ronib

I don’t think Starmer is vilified as much as Boris Johnson and Liz Truss. I felt for their families…. But more importantly, my own for having to put up with rising prices, poor NHS and an uncertain future.

I disagree, the hatred for Starmer on FaceBook in particular is appalling, I never saw any posts calling for Johnson or Truss to be hanged or murdered. I believe it is the same or worse on X, I haven’t been on there since last year.

Oreo

Actually I understand why a referendum was needed on leaving the EU as there had been one to go into the EU in the first place.Why should such an important thing be just left to a political party?

There was NO vote to go into the EU. There was a vote on remaining in 1973, two years after we entered i 1971.

Every time Scotland ask for referendum
The answer is no you had one.. well why does he think 🤔 he can CREEP back bit by sneaky bit 🤔 🙄

How is he reversing brexit? And even if he is how is it a bad thing? I'm still waiting for all the extra money for the nhs, our businesses to be booming, taking control of our boarders, giving British jobs to British people (what jobs?) and all the rest that was promised... Has any of it happened or has brexit caused far more issues than we had before?

We had a vote. The people still feel the same.
Another referendum would be costly and not in our interests.
The vote stands.

Jojo1950

We had a vote. The people still feel the same.
Another referendum would be costly and not in our interests.
The vote stands.

No, the people do not feel the same?
yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54567-how-strong-is-uk-support-for-rejoining-the-european-union

Most people voted out because of EU citizens here for benefits, they have just lifted the 2 child cap so great insentive again. With a restriction to benefits I'd vote back in after voting out in 2016. Before anyone says they weren't here for benefits or they weren't entitled to benefits, I witnessed it first hand yes they were and did, obviously not all but it was a big pull factor. Can't see labour restricting anything.

Bang on. Because of his mousey,shy demeanour .Don't be fooled. Starmer is a very arrogant and nasty little man

Who knows what is best for you and me and our country without consulting us.

Thatcher had nothing on him.

This stance from the Labour Govt.has been taken by them ever since they got into power this time.

They don't consult their MP's any more or debate issues in Parliament.
Most of decisions are based upon what their God like Political Advisors tell them to do.

This started off in the Blair years.

Starmer does not have an ounce of Socialism in him.

Just hope when he does go.We are not landed with awful Rayner woman or Prince Charming waiting in the wings. Mr Andrew Burnham.

God help us!

I hope he achieves it. The worst thing we ever did was leave the EU. We need to be aligned with Europe.

I cant see the Uk having another referendum for the remainder of this Century! Literally.

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Cameron very quickly skedaddled after the results of the referendum.
He didn't think for a second that the vote would be for Brexit.
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The bigger issue here is our electoral system. Starmer and his cronies conveniently ignore the fact that they got just 33.7% of the total vote. To look at it from the other end of the telescope, 66.3% of those who voted didn’t want Labour or its Manifesto. That fact came home in last week’s elections.

If we want to go back into the EU then it must be by Referendum with all the arguments and division that will bring. We shouldn’t forget that our EU friends will use an application from the UK to rejoin as a way of extracting even more money from the British purse. Last time I looked we were damn near broke.

RinseAndRepeat If you look at how the 2024 election would have looked had a PR system been in place, Labour would have been the biggest party, and approximately two thirds of parliamentary seats would have been occupied by MPs from left leaning parties, so there would have been a coalition excluding Reform and the Tories.

Maremia

Now the strange thing is, once Starmer said he was staying in post, the value of the pound rose.

Above all, the markets like stability.

Whitewavemark2

Yes I agree it should be in the manifesto - much more democratic.

I think the Brexit referendum was one of the most divisive, unsettling and disastrous things we have ever carried out in the U.K.

I agree and you only have to travel to EU countries to see the benefits we discarded by leaving.

Not sure that getting back into the EU will be that easy regardless of anybody who wants to reverse it. Does Europe really want us? will penalties be applied? How much will it cost us ? Anybody know about these things?

MaizieD

Oreo

Actually I understand why a referendum was needed on leaving the EU as there had been one to go into the EU in the first place.Why should such an important thing be just left to a political party?

There was NO vote to go into the EU. There was a vote on remaining in 1973, two years after we entered i 1971.

Oh, right thanks.
I was very young at the time and just vaguely remember talk about voting the ‘Common Market’ in or out.

Barbadosbelle

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Cameron very quickly skedaddled after the results of the referendum.
He didn't think for a second that the vote would be for Brexit.
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Yes he did, and didn’t even remain as an MP for long either.
Disgraceful.

Barbadosbelle

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Cameron very quickly skedaddled after the results of the referendum.
He didn't think for a second that the vote would be for Brexit.
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No.

And he had no Plan B whatsoever.

It was at that moment that I parted company with the conservatives.

Jojo1950

We had a vote. The people still feel the same.
Another referendum would be costly and not in our interests.
The vote stands.

'The people' aren't the same, though.

Ten years after the referendum thousands of young people have become eligible to vote and thousands of old people (who were the largest demographic of those who voted, have died.

You might still cling to your Brexit but I think the vote would be for rejoin.

Jane43

It would be more appropriate in a manifesto for the next general election, then if the manifesto is accepted by the electorate a referendum can be held. At the moment anything Keir Starmer does is wrong, I have never seen such hatred of a Prime Minister and I feel for his family.

I know! It's as if the press can't forgive him for not being friends any unsavoury characters personally, or taking a 5 mill "gift" & not declaring it, or crashing the economy as per Truss, or anything else that would make biog gory headlines, so they just put a negative spin on everything he does on a daily basis.

Do people really hate Starmer. 'Hate' seems to be a word much misused these days. Everything is love and if it isn't love it is hate.

I do not hate Starmer, but I think he is monumentally incomtent and I am revolted by the way he makes no pretence about his determination to hold onto power, even when so many want him to go. He does not seem to care a toss for the damage he is doing to the party he professes to support.

But none of the above is hate. Contempt, yes, uite a bit, but in the dismissive way one looks at anyone who is so shamelessly clinging on to power when everyone else knows they should go.

But once he has resigned, if I met him at a social event the following day I would uite happily chat to him about anything other than politics, possible find a shared interest, enjoy his company, for all I know he could be a witty and charming person outside politics.

Jojo1950

We had a vote. The people still feel the same.
Another referendum would be costly and not in our interests.
The vote stands.

I am sorry, but that is not correct. Have a look at this graph
www.statista.com/statistics/987347/brexit-opinion-poll/?srsltid=AfmBOoozmPWAbqUyyiVn_gbOlP1Z9slalbSpuY-nAjGJgDnKLWFF1oXh.

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