Is democracy being by-passed in favour of the billionaires?

If you want to know what Reform’s policies will be, look no further than the interests of wealthy individuals and associate companies.

So of course tax cutting for large companies.

Reduced employee rights - and of course the killing of EHCR.

Extended use of the private sector in the NHS - eventually leading according to Farage to an insurance based health provision, modelled on the US health provision.

Cuts in public services - along the DOGE model.

Interestingly for those who are looking for a reduction in immigration, Farage has had very little to say about it over recent months. This may be because births in the U.K. is no longer keeping up with deaths and therefore will mean a labour shortage which can only be filled by immigration.

With regard to foreign policy - the uks governments eyes will be turned to the USA - although by 2028 the fascist Trump may well have gone and replaced by a democratic presidency, which will certainly not be in sympathy with Reform.

Expect any closer ties with Europe, on defence, trade etc to be trashed.

We shouldn't forget Viktor Orban in this:

bylinetimes.com/2026/04/14/exposed-how-viktor-orban-bankrolled-the-network-around-reform-uk/

EXPOSED: How Viktor Orbán Bankrolled the Network Around Reform UK

As Hungary’s Prime Minister suffers a historic electoral defeat, Byline Times maps out how his government’s funding arm channelled hundreds of thousands of pounds into organisations at the heart of Britain’s hard right.

It strikes me that Farage has moved on from his initial anti-immigration stance. I have no doubt that he's a bigot, but he's discovered that some foreigners can be useful to him. He couldn't give a monkeys about the old complaints about Polish plumbers undercutting the "indigenous" British plumbers. That argument is no longer useful to him. Bitcoin is the ultimate international currency, so all his arguments against the "global economy" don't work either.

I doubt very much whether Farage will ever be PM. Looking at his behaviour now, he's just in it for himself. Nobody has the guts to challenge him, so he'll wait a couple more years then retire and spend his days sitting in his counting house, counting his money and laughing at all the people he's conned over the years (maybe dreaming he could be the ultimate James Bond baddy).

Reform doesn't have any credible plans. They're a protest party. Just about everything about them is negative and about blaming somebody else. It will pass, but until then, we're in for a rocky ride.

He does rock up to the HoC occasionally to have a moan about boats. This calendar year he has spoken three times in the HoC, once about boats, once about his other pet subject Chagos and once about oil and gas. He hasn’t spoken at all since 25 March 2026.

I’ve said elsewhere that these local elections were probably his one last chance to wreak havoc as he will never be PM.

Since, Friday, three new Reform councillors have resigned, said they didn’t want the job and two more have been suspended for vile behaviour.

How many more hard working councillors will have lost their seats to these wasters?

Reform has made a mockery of democracy.

twaddle

It strikes me that Farage has moved on from his initial anti-immigration stance. I have no doubt that he's a bigot, but he's discovered that some foreigners can be useful to him. He couldn't give a monkeys about the old complaints about Polish plumbers undercutting the "indigenous" British plumbers. That argument is no longer useful to him. Bitcoin is the ultimate international currency, so all his arguments against the "global economy" don't work either.

I doubt very much whether Farage will ever be PM. Looking at his behaviour now, he's just in it for himself. Nobody has the guts to challenge him, so he'll wait a couple more years then retire and spend his days sitting in his counting house, counting his money and laughing at all the people he's conned over the years (maybe dreaming he could be the ultimate James Bond baddy).

Reform doesn't have any credible plans. They're a protest party. Just about everything about them is negative and about blaming somebody else. It will pass, but until then, we're in for a rocky ride.

I agree and 🙏🙏🙏 we are both correct.

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He does rock up to the HoC occasionally to have a moan about boats. This calendar year he has spoken three times in the HoC, once about boats, once about his other pet subject Chagos and once about oil and gas. He hasn’t spoken at all since 25 March 2026.

I’ve said elsewhere that these local elections were probably his one last chance to wreak havoc as he will never be PM.

Since, Friday, three new Reform councillors have resigned, said they didn’t want the job and two more have been suspended for vile behaviour.

How many more hard working councillors will have lost their seats to these wasters?

Reform has made a mockery of democracy.

I think Reform have made a mockery of their voters, rather than democracy.

I understand frustration, people feeling disenfranchised, forgotten, disenchanted, BUT have these people really looked at Reform “policies” “contract” “manifesto” or “programme” (whatever it is Reform now call their latest set of “ideas”)

From my work in many local jobcentres, I’m only too aware of some claimants attitudes to “foreigners”. Grays and Basildon Jobcentres even had some claimants protesting with banners, the one in Grays was particularly amusing, as their banners accused “foreigners” of stealing their jobs!!

Anyway, I digress, Refirm appear to wish to banish most benefits, there will be plenty of jobs because women will be at home tidying the home, cooking and having countless babies?

Quite how Reform think they’ll deal with the thousands of people who are unpaid carers caring for a cohort of disabled, both mental and physical, and those with terminal or life limiting medication conditions doesn’t appear to have been mentioned and given they think our NHS isn’t up to scratch these people will have no money and no medical help.

As it’s appears to be of their regime to repeal settlement status and send people back, I’m not too sure how the NHS or our residential care home would fare?

Anyone her can respond with answers?

Is democracy being by-passed in favour of the billionaires?

Am I right in thinking this what Conspriacy Theorists have been saying for the last 10 years?

fancythat

^Is democracy being by-passed in favour of the billionaires?^

Am I right in thinking this what Conspriacy Theorists have been saying for the last 10 years?

No. It's what a great many clear minded and rational people have been saying for an increasing number of years.

Our economic system is geared to rewarding wealth and by means of threatening to remove their wealth the wealthy have had power to influence legislation and taxation in their favour.

I think it has and is happening.

I think it is exactly what Conspiarcy Theorists have been saying.[could be wrong]. For 10 years or more.

I remember seeing a grid somewhere of the people/organisations who wield so much power because of their wealth[they are wealthier than banks]. I will find it sometime.

While people are busy focusing on immigrants they are not noticing that it's the super rich who are ruining the country.

fancythat

I think it has and is happening.

I think it is exactly what Conspiarcy Theorists have been saying.[could be wrong]. For 10 years or more.

I remember seeing a grid somewhere of the people/organisations who wield so much power because of their wealth[they are wealthier than banks]. I will find it sometime.

I think I know what you’re alluding to, yes, there is a whole piece about “the new world order”, which has been around for a couple decades, but that talks about money disappearing altogether and a whole load of other “controls”, it’s not quite the same.

Whitewavemark2

When a billionaire bankrolls a political party or politician, he always does so because he considers it to be in his interest.

There is nothing altruistic about Harbourne.

You could say the same to anyone who makes substantial donations to any party.
No such thing as a free meal where politics and money are concerned.

This video will explain what a stinking corrupt cesspit the whole banking / finance business is.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=np_ylvc8Zj8&t=604s

AGAA4

While people are busy focusing on immigrants they are not noticing that it's the super rich who are ruining the country.

Totally agree. As would Farage’s billionaire pals who are happy to operate behind the ‘small boats’ smokescreen.
Not sure when ordinary people will wake up and start to blame the powerful rather than the powerless. Will not happen in my lifetime certainly.

Not sure when ordinary people will wake up and start to blame the powerful rather than the powerless. Will not happen in my lifetime certainly

Wouldnt be so sure about that.

It has certainly taken a lot of years for voters to break out of the two party system[was beginning to think it would never happen], but once you break free of that, it opens peoples' minds to other things that are going on too. In my opinion.

fancythat

I think it has and is happening.

I think it is exactly what Conspiarcy Theorists have been saying.[could be wrong]. For 10 years or more.

I remember seeing a grid somewhere of the people/organisations who wield so much power because of their wealth[they are wealthier than banks]. I will find it sometime.

Ironically, it's Farage and Co who want to create the "new world order", but with him and his cronies in charge. They treat the existing hierarchies with contempt. They don't want to change that fundamental structure, but they want to change the people in charge. The "people" the "man of the people" wants to rule are mere pawns in the game. At the moment, the "people" have one valuable possession - a vote" - he couldn't care less about about any need they have.

OMG! I'm beginning to sound like a conspiracy theorist now! (Definitely been watching too much James Bond )

petra

Whitewavemark2

When a billionaire bankrolls a political party or politician, he always does so because he considers it to be in his interest.

There is nothing altruistic about Harbourne.

You could say the same to anyone who makes substantial donations to any party.
No such thing as a free meal where politics and money are concerned.

I think there are a few people where seeds of old-fashioned philanthropy still reside.

If I were to become mega-rich overnight (fat chance!), I would donate money to a political party on the condition that it made an effort to fight regional equality because it means a lot to me, but I'd be absolutely transparent about what I was doing.

I find it telling that the two worst countries for 'political interference' appear to be the UK and the US. Both bogged down in the old left versus right ideology. Please can we have a more realistic system of government, where voting actually means something, and politicians make decisions based on the good of the country, rather than the party and their paymasters.

This video will explain what a stinking corrupt cesspit the whole banking / finance business is

Precisely petra - the business that Farage worked in for many years before he went into politics.

A leopard doesn’t change it spots!

The two worst countries for political interference, the UK and the USA, were allegedly targeted by Putin.
Russian interference in BREXIT, Trump's sojourn in Russia.

fancythat

^Not sure when ordinary people will wake up and start to blame the powerful rather than the powerless. Will not happen in my lifetime certainly^

Wouldnt be so sure about that.

It has certainly taken a lot of years for voters to break out of the two party system[was beginning to think it would never happen], but once you break free of that, it opens peoples' minds to other things that are going on too. In my opinion.

But Farage & Co don't represent the powerless. They are using them to harvest votes, to be sure, but all they're doing is trying to replace one powerful group with another.

That is what I have yet to be convinced about.

On this thread or another one, I think it was the poster foxie who I suggested started a new thread about her post.
Which may have been along the same lines?

I may have agreed with it, or some of it.
But she didnt start a new thread.

exactly that twaddle

fancythat

That is what I have yet to be convinced about.

On this thread or another one, I think it was the poster foxie who I suggested started a new thread about her post.
Which may have been along the same lines?

I may have agreed with it, or some of it.
But she didnt start a new thread.

Sorry! I don't think I'm understanding you, fancythat. What do you need to be convinced about?

dayvidg

I find it telling that the two worst countries for 'political interference' appear to be the UK and the US. Both bogged down in the old left versus right ideology. Please can we have a more realistic system of government, where voting actually means something, and politicians make decisions based on the good of the country, rather than the party and their paymasters.

Once upon a time that’s what our leaders ( rightly or wrongly) would do but now we are part of a global economy.
Different world.