Starmer’s Speech today.

Yes I forgot about the breathalyser.
When I worked at the golf club, a lot of men would drink & drive.

MT62

Yes I forgot about the breathalyser.
When I worked at the golf club, a lot of men would drink & drive.

To Twaddle

The breathalyser was introduced into the U.K. October 8th 1967 to coincide with The Road Safety Act.

This is when the blood alcohol limit was introduced.

Yes, Barbara Castle was the minister responsible if memory serves me right ? (I was ten years old 😂)

MaizieD
Not true.
Labour have lost 1000’s of votes to Reform, particularly up North.

GrannyGravy13

The breathalyser was introduced into the U.K. October 8th 1967 to coincide with The Road Safety Act.

This is when the blood alcohol limit was introduced.

I know, but it didn't put people off driving immediately. I passed my test in 1972 and I remember people didn't really take the limits that seriously. It took a while for people to get over their resentment at what the "Big Brother" state was doing.

M0nica

MaizieD

Once a communist always a communist, or rather, once almost a communist always almost a communist.

Are you suggesting that Starmer is/was a communist? That is delusional, MOnica

He was in his youth close to being a fellow traveller, he was dertainly moving that way, but I am sute he was a astute then as he is now and realised that it would be bad for his future political and legal career.

If a few more of his communists characteristics were to come out, I doubt he would have lost so many votes to the Greens.

Kandinsky

MaizieD
Not true.
Labour have lost 1000’s of votes to Reform, particularly up North.

Generally, Labour hasn't lost votes directly to Reform. The Tories have lost votes nearly all to Reform. Labour has lost votes mainly to the Greens and the LibDems and a few to Reform. FPTP has allowed Reform to win seats because they have the biggest number of votes, not because the majority has voted for them.

If the Tories hadn't have collapsed, there would be a very different picture. The Tories would have retained more seats and the non-Labour opposition would be split.

twaddle

MaizieD

Kandinsky

They say they have to change - but how?
They have to appeal to all the reform voters who took their votes & that’s more or less impossible for them.

From the figures I've seen Reform took most of their votes from the tories, not Labour. Previous Labour voters tended to go to the Lib Dems or Green. Or Nationalist parties in Scotland and Wales.

Labour trued very hard to appeal to potential Reform voters in their first 18 months. It hasn't worked. Why vote Labour when you can vote for the real thing?

Spot on! Thinking he needed to appease Reform voters was Starmer's big mistake. The Tories' collapse is as much responsible as anything else.

So once again the people who should be advising him on which way the wind was blowing weren’t up to the job.
Same old, same old 🤦🏼‍♀️

3 members of government resign over Starmer - Breaking News

I'd still be sorry to see Starmer go. Can't think of anybody who could replace him on the world stage as things are at the moment - war in Ukraine, war in the Middle East, a volatile US President, etc., etc.

Primrose53

3 members of government resign over Starmer - Breaking News

It's not Starmer who is the problem, it's the team around him.

He needed to change them all but it could be too late now.

I found the fakeness of the entire thing embarrassing. The standing ovation before he'd began speaking and the constant applause during his 'speech' which was more like a party political broadcast.

His current precarious position reminds me of Thatcher who clung on until she was pushed. Not a very edifying look for Starmer.

I heard an interesting item on Radio 4 today. Jim O'Neill making some very good points. How the role of PM has become some sort of popularity contest.

twaddle

M0nica

MaizieD

Once a communist always a communist, or rather, once almost a communist always almost a communist.

Are you suggesting that Starmer is/was a communist? That is delusional, MOnica

He was in his youth close to being a fellow traveller, he was dertainly moving that way, but I am sute he was a astute then as he is now and realised that it would be bad for his future political and legal career.

If a few more of his communists characteristics were to come out, I doubt he would have lost so many votes to the Greens.

The command economy, the repression of opposition, once voted into power refusing to go when his time is up. is that what the Greens want?

Primrose53

3 members of government resign over Starmer - Breaking News

Why are you enjoying this chaos?

Steel is a good start. Now we need to own our water.

He will be gone by Wednesday at the latest.

sixandahalf

Primrose53

3 members of government resign over Starmer - Breaking News

Why are you enjoying this chaos?

Just updating what's going on.

It’s now 4 anyway.

And 66 MPs demand Starmer quits.

The housing minister has said that 90% of MPs don't want Starmer to go. They want to get on with their jobs not be spending time in finding a new leader.

I believe the stalking horse has withdrawn her challenge; obviously can't get enough MPs to support her, but is asking for an orderly exit in the Autumn

I understand this is to give Andy Burnham enough time to get himself elected MP for somewhere so that he can stand in a Leadership contest.
Now would be too soon.

And as last week's election results showed, there's unlikely to be a safe seat in Manchester or even Liverpool.

These MPs from the 2024 intake resigning their PPS jobs ... (they are not resigning as MPs because they can't.)

Where were their backbones two years ago when the WPF debacle was going on?

Watching election night coverage, commentators from all parties were saying that the WFP was the issue that kept coming up again and again on the doorstep.

Labour MPs and Labour peers could have stopped that dead in its tracks by voting for Sunak's and Altmann's motions to stop the secondary legislation but they chose not to.

Primrose53

sixandahalf

Primrose53

3 members of government resign over Starmer - Breaking News

Why are you enjoying this chaos?

Just updating what's going on.

It’s now 4 anyway.

We have access to media, you are enjoying this.

I think its frightening. More instability.

sixandahalf

Primrose53

sixandahalf

Primrose53

3 members of government resign over Starmer - Breaking News

Why are you enjoying this chaos?

Just updating what's going on.

It’s now 4 anyway.

We have access to media, you are enjoying this.

I think its frightening. More instability.

So why aren’t you updating then? It is a News and Politics Thread you know. 😉