Starmer’s Speech today.

70MPs including 5 PPS have called for Starmer to go, 20.45pm.

Cardamom

I'd have more confidence in Starmer if he ditched Rachel in Accounts; get someone in as Treasurer who knows what they're doing instead of repeatedly hiking taxes on small businesses who are then forced to make redundancies or close down. She's accelerated the high street decline single handedly. Time she was out.

We're a small business. NI increase made a negligible difference to us.
Our problem is hiring / retaining skilled people, despite hiking wages regularly. In the 25 years we've run the business, never known a shortage of people out there like there is at present.Not enough young people doing apprenticeships for the past twenty years hasn't helped - but tbh, Brexit hasn't helped either as when the HGV drivers were so scarce, the wages offered to people to join that industry drew some of our industry's workforce away.

I think this is largely being driven by the relentless political media and their need for daily headlines and easy stories. They do it with both parties. Britain is a laughing stock regarding its turnover of PMs. I wish people wouldn’t be taken in by all the rubbish that the media whips up. Then the government could get on with running the country.

The one positive Labour could take from the local elections was Reform won with a promise they couldn't keep (Vote Reform - Get Starmer out).

The fact that Labour MPs with less than two years experience are actively trying to help Reform achieve this is, frankly, sickening.

Whoever Labour were to replace him with will come under the same relentless pressure that he has.

The right wing media, including the BBC, will not be happy until they see Farage in Number 10. He will be laughing his socks off at what is going on today.

Agreed Graphite.

I’ve just seen a list of the names of 60 MPs calling for the PM to resign - the majority of them are from the 2024 intake.

Absolutely sickening. Who the hell do they think they are!

Who the hell do they think they are!
Closet Reform Party?

Graphite I consider the BBC too woke and inclined to the left of cente. The only conclusion I can come to is that it is probably entirely neutral.

I do get bored with the left wing conviction that when anything goes wrong, it is never their own fault, someone else is always to blame, stupid voters who do not understand the issues, the press is against them, the BBC is right wing, Queen Eliabeth II was a lizard and has been reincarnated to rule on behalf of David Icke.

When voters do not vote for one party or another, it is a clear indication that they do not like its policies. the average person is not a fool and can make good judgements from their own experience.

Currently the majority of the electorate seem utterly disillusioned and disappointed by the Labour government they elected in two years ago, We are nearly half way through a government term, it is too late to promise improvement, when you have done nothing much for 2 years what hope does that give us that it will be any better in the next two years?

As for those MPs resigning as PPS's, They are people who can still see that having no leader at all might be a better option than continuing to have a Prime Minster so lame he makes most lame dogs look healthy.

Well, good luck everyone when we’ve got a Fascist Reform government🤷‍♀️

In which case they can cross the floor to join Farage and Labour will still have a large majority.

Aubrey Allegretti has leaked a What's App exchange including:

Natasha Irons: "Bottom line, changing leader because Nigel Farage has forced us to is not something any of us can come back from. Anyone who thinks we can needs to wake up."

Absolutely!

A few reports were commissioned( the really big one is the Social care one, but they have been looking into immigration policy too, that has recently reported & will have its day in parliament soon).
Some of these are complex questions and I don't think there's anything wrong with listening to expert opinion before legislating.
So the groundwork has been done for the biggest changes & the next 2-3 years should see those rolling out.
Of course, if we were the USA Kier could just write executive orders on a whim....
I've always found BBC pretty straight-down-the-middle, but they do seem to be moving a bit to the right, lately.

M0nica

Graphite I consider the BBC too woke and inclined to the left of cente. The only conclusion I can come to is that it is probably entirely neutral.

I do get bored with the left wing conviction that when anything goes wrong, it is never their own fault, someone else is always to blame, stupid voters who do not understand the issues, the press is against them, the BBC is right wing, Queen Eliabeth II was a lizard and has been reincarnated to rule on behalf of David Icke.

When voters do not vote for one party or another, it is a clear indication that they do not like its policies. the average person is not a fool and can make good judgements from their own experience.

Currently the majority of the electorate seem utterly disillusioned and disappointed by the Labour government they elected in two years ago, We are nearly half way through a government term, it is too late to promise improvement, when you have done nothing much for 2 years what hope does that give us that it will be any better in the next two years?

As for those MPs resigning as PPS's, They are people who can still see that having no leader at all might be a better option than continuing to have a Prime Minster so lame he makes most lame dogs look healthy.

I agree and furthermore Starmer is the author of his own political ruin.

Graphite

In which case they can cross the floor to join Farage and Labour will still have a large majority.

Aubrey Allegretti has leaked a What's App exchange including:

Natasha Irons: "Bottom line, changing leader because Nigel Farage has forced us to is not something any of us can come back from. Anyone who thinks we can needs to wake up."

If there’s a leadership contest they’ll be like rats in sack. Mind you, they pretty much are already. A local MP has joined the list calling for Starmer to resign. Our city has been allocated millions by the government to rejuvenate itself and this is the thanks the PM gets. Farage has already won.

1960srelic

I'd still be sorry to see Starmer go. Can't think of anybody who could replace him on the world stage as things are at the moment - war in Ukraine, war in the Middle East, a volatile US President, etc., etc.

I agree. He at least kept us out of this illegal war.

Who is going to gain from all this disruption?

We all are if we get a better PM.

And who will that be?

Depends on what Labour decide doesn’t it? I would prefer Streeting to Burnham tbh.

Staying with a dud PM isn’t helping anyone.

A dud who won a landslide election for the party. Isn’t Streeting in a marginal seat and could lose it next election? ( happy to be corrected on that). Some people on here have wanted Starmer out from day one. Be careful what you wish for, especially as Farage has been instrumental in this.

Well there you go Maybee70 blaming everyone bar Starmer really doesn’t work.
There’s no guarantee that Burnham will win a by-election in order to be in a position to be considered for PM and almost all Labour MP’s could be out of a job at the next election, not just Streeting unless Starmer is replaced pdq.

Be careful what you wish for, especially as Farage has been instrumental in this.

Even my DH who voted Lib Dem can see straight through this and thinks everyone is falling into Farage's trap. He, too, thinks Starmer is the best we have at the moment.

When in turbulent waters, it's best not to rock the boat even more!

Oreo

Depends on what Labour decide doesn’t it? I would prefer Streeting to Burnham tbh.

Streeting is charming but has no real substance for PM at this time of international crises.

People wouldn’t have been voting for Reform if they had any faith in Starmer and that’s the truth.There’s country have no faith in him and neither has most of the Labour MP’s and the Party overall.When you get into that position, no matter who you are you have to go.

I don’t think Starmer has much substance tbh.