Revolving door politics

Fallingstar

But as I said if the plotters win I won’t vote Labour again because they are just like the Tories, believing that simply changing hats will work.

Same!

I’m a Labour Party member. If there’s leadership election, I’ll remain as a member so I can have my vote in that election.

Depending who wins, my party membership will be thrown in the bin and I won’t vote Labour again.

It's Rachel Reeves that should definitely go the trouble and havoc that woman has caused is dreadful.all she's does is put up taxes every time she opens her mouth

Why, we suffered 14 years of incompetent tories which there appears to be a collective amnesia about. We allow the media to influence us on a daily basis with really non existent or bad journalism. All knee jerk reactions from people you don't have a clue. Its a totally different world now a world where Starmer is much respected overseas but not by the daily mail readers in this country.

Airdrieonian

Why, we suffered 14 years of incompetent tories which there appears to be a collective amnesia about. We allow the media to influence us on a daily basis with really non existent or bad journalism. All knee jerk reactions from people you don't have a clue. Its a totally different world now a world where Starmer is much respected overseas but not by the daily mail readers in this country.

Typically judgemental, from someone who probably reads the DM themselves, in order to know what others are complaining about.

Wyllow3

I think amongst the group there are very clear ideas of who they want, My MP is one that signed the 70. I've pretty clear idea of who she wants and it's most certainly not Angela Raynor!

You can check to see if your LP MP has here:
www.thenational.scot/politics/26096094.full-list-labour-mps-whove-called-keir-starmer-quit/

In general - not, I think the last 2 years are not that bad, it's been seen through a lens of right wing media and attacks.

The many small things that have been done appear in here when people like WWM and others - me on the Rental Bill protecting renters - bring them to light, then they are "disappeared" rapidly.

Just above here up thread the LP is described in entirely derogatory terms: ask renters? Ask the families benefitting from breakfast clubs, the GP's who got a big grant last year

(yes, you've forgotten that, some of you, in the rush the blacken all with a Daily Mail brush?)

Well, one alternative to our system is of course Proportional Representation, but that doesn't automatically guarantee continuity and stability at all at the top at all;

it depends on the balance of parties and how big the majority, we'll see how it works out in Scotland. The Angela Merkel's of this world - she was in power in Germany for 16 years - are rare under PR.

Almost certainly the onset of SM has been part of the change, people want
Instant!
Now!
No good, its isnt done right now!
Therefore sack them change them..

But real politics needs continuity. We are in the middle of a war crisis, incase folks have forgotton. Starmer has been steady on this and I disagree with my MP that it's time to change atm. Until I hear more, and why, and "who" (tho I have an idea its Burnham)

Yes. and lest we forget..Mutti aka Angela Merkel also opened the flood gates to mass immigration.
Don't think.they are very happy in Germany now do you
Re AFD etc.

I think some voters have confused government with celebs on a reality TV show, thinking they can vote them off if they don’t like them.
Today life is all about ‘likes’ and people faking it in order to be the most popular.
There is no substance, we have become image and personality driven. And there is no sticking with anything in order to see any benefit, instant gratification is required. So in an age dictated by social media it is hardly any wonder that boring old politics doesn’t stand a chance.

Mollygo

Airdrieonian

Why, we suffered 14 years of incompetent tories which there appears to be a collective amnesia about. We allow the media to influence us on a daily basis with really non existent or bad journalism. All knee jerk reactions from people you don't have a clue. Its a totally different world now a world where Starmer is much respected overseas but not by the daily mail readers in this country.

Typically judgemental, from someone who probably reads the DM themselves, in order to know what others are complaining about.

That’s a very disrespectful post Mollygo. Emotions are running high, but criticise the post, not the poster.

Fallingstar

I think some voters have confused government with celebs on a reality TV show, thinking they can vote them off if they don’t like them.
Today life is all about ‘likes’ and people faking it in order to be the most popular.
There is no substance, we have become image and personality driven. And there is no sticking with anything in order to see any benefit, instant gratification is required. So in an age dictated by social media it is hardly any wonder that boring old politics doesn’t stand a chance.

It seriously puzzles me when I see voxpop interviews with people who say they voted Reform because they hate Starmer. I 'm very disappointed with Starmer. I didn't think he'd be the kind of leader who would go down in history as a "great", but I thought he would be able to undo some of the harm done by the Tories. Actually he has, but communications have been abysmal and there have been some serious errors of judgment. Nevertheless, I can't hate him and I don't think he's that hateful. What I really don't understand is that people can hate Starmer but not hate Farage - and vote for his party. I understand why people feel let down by Labour and I understand why they want change, but if it's a head to head between Starmer and Farage, I know whom I find more despicable.

I think you've made a very valid point, Fallingstar.

Good posts Fallingstar and twaddle👏👏👏

Sometimes it feels like we might as well go full ‘game show’ and ask Simon Cowell who he would like to be PM!

What, Keir Starmer hasn’t got the ‘X factor’ … let’s just get rid of him then😱

So why did media attack distrust dislike and disapprove of him from the start then?? If you can't see why never will.

LizzieDrip

Fallingstar

But as I said if the plotters win I won’t vote Labour again because they are just like the Tories, believing that simply changing hats will work.

Same!

I’m a Labour Party member. If there’s leadership election, I’ll remain as a member so I can have my vote in that election.

Depending who wins, my party membership will be thrown in the bin and I won’t vote Labour again.

I’ve requested a resignation form and on it I can explain why I want to resign my membership so at least they know how I feel about the disruptive behaviour of some MP’s. Thankfully my MP is a staunch supporter of the PM.

Thanks MayBee. I’ll do the same.

I’ve already written to my MP (Labour) voicing my disgust at the divisive behaviour of some Labour MPs - many of whom are from the 2024 intake … so have been MPs for under 2 years!

I can’t support a party that appears so intent on destroying itself and, even more unforgivable, opening the door to a Fascist government!

LemonJam

"Neither 'the markets' nor the Bank of England have any say in who is PM. It ultimately comes down to the party which chose that person as its leader".

I disagree. The financial markets and the Bank of England have no direct or procedural say in a parliamentary vote of confidence. However they do have considerable soft power, acting as a key barometer of economic stability, that triggers political pressure and weakens a PM's authority and/or voter confidence.

E.g the cost of borrowing has gone up and value of gilts down. This is reminiscent to both the public and the government of Liz Truss- when she spooked the market. That played a big part towards her downfall, over a matter of days. The public do not take well the their mortgage costs going up....

They may weaken a PM's authority, but they still have no part to play in the choice of PM.

It was the Bank of England that did for Liz Truss, not the bond markets. The BoE had announced a a big sell off of the bonds it had bought for Quantitative Easing a few days before the mini budget. Truss's budget of tax cuts relied on selling more bonds to finance it. It was too much for the markets to bear.

The sell off of QE bonds was quite unnecessary.

The proposed tax cuts were primarily to benefit high earners, who we know are least likely to spend (and that is economic orthodoxy) so it wasn't going to achieve what Truss wanted anyway...

The BoE sets interest rates. They're the ones to blame for higher mortgages.

There is no earthly reason why the government needs to sell bonds to finance spending. It could run an interest free 'overdraft' at the BoE...

They have learnt nothing. The reason the Tory party has diminished to the butt end is largely because they thought that each time things were not going well, changing leaders would do it. But they were so wrong.

Now some labour MPs are rushing headlong into leadership change without giving it intelligent thought.

I suspect Streeting is keen to steal a March on Burnham, but I hope the rest of the party sits on him and insists that they allow time for all possible contenders to put in their nomination.

I think that Starmer will not be the one to lead /labour in the next election, but for heavens sake, do make informed sensible decisions!

Many complaints are about high fuel prices.
Starmer didn't cause that.
Trump did.

I can’t support a party that appears so intent on destroying itself and, even more unforgivable, opening the door to a Fascist government!

So you will support a government which will indubitably open the door to the fascists if it continues in the way it has for the last two years?

I think that is putting party before country.

I am concerned that if the left of the party get in, they will make changed they don't have the mandate to do. The voters voted for Starmer because they didn't want what the left wing with Jeremy Corbyn were offering. I think people should be very aware of what they wish for.
Each change of leadership has a knock on effect on the markets and leaves even less time for a party to make effective changes that benefit the nation. Social Media has not helped matters because posts are influenced by foreign states, the ignorance of many of the people posting and the desperate need for instant change.
I am not a Labour supporter and can't imagine ever being one but this Government is probably the best Labour rule we can get at the moment.

Maremia

Many complaints are about high fuel prices.
Starmer didn't cause that.
Trump did.

Indeed.

But what are the odds that the Bank of England will use the only weapon it thinks it has to fight inflation and put up interest rates? So making inflation even worse...

What is Streeting waiting for? Who ever heard of anyone preparing to resign tomorrow? Perhaps he just does not have the support in the party that he thinks he has. But why should he? He has hardly achieved anything.

There are those who say he should be “given his chance”, but how has he earned it? He has never held one of the great offices of state and seems to have an inflated sense of his own abilities. He is a Blairite in a party lurching to the Left, so how will he get the support he needs to topple Sir Keir Starmer from constituency parties and the trade unions?

WithNobsOnIt

Wyllow3

I think amongst the group there are very clear ideas of who they want, My MP is one that signed the 70. I've pretty clear idea of who she wants and it's most certainly not Angela Raynor!

You can check to see if your LP MP has here:
www.thenational.scot/politics/26096094.full-list-labour-mps-whove-called-keir-starmer-quit/

In general - not, I think the last 2 years are not that bad, it's been seen through a lens of right wing media and attacks.

The many small things that have been done appear in here when people like WWM and others - me on the Rental Bill protecting renters - bring them to light, then they are "disappeared" rapidly.

Just above here up thread the LP is described in entirely derogatory terms: ask renters? Ask the families benefitting from breakfast clubs, the GP's who got a big grant last year

(yes, you've forgotten that, some of you, in the rush the blacken all with a Daily Mail brush?)

Well, one alternative to our system is of course Proportional Representation, but that doesn't automatically guarantee continuity and stability at all at the top at all;

it depends on the balance of parties and how big the majority, we'll see how it works out in Scotland. The Angela Merkel's of this world - she was in power in Germany for 16 years - are rare under PR.

Almost certainly the onset of SM has been part of the change, people want
Instant!
Now!
No good, its isnt done right now!
Therefore sack them change them..

But real politics needs continuity. We are in the middle of a war crisis, incase folks have forgotton. Starmer has been steady on this and I disagree with my MP that it's time to change atm. Until I hear more, and why, and "who" (tho I have an idea its Burnham)

Yes. and lest we forget..Mutti aka Angela Merkel also opened the flood gates to mass immigration.
Don't think.they are very happy in Germany now do you
Re AFD etc.

I said at the time that Angela Merkel was crazy for allowing all immigrants in. I will never forget seeing swarms of people tramping through Europe to get to Germany. I also said many Germans were very unhappy about her doing this as we have several German relatives with lots of unhappy neighbours and colleagues. I also said she would do that and then walk away and I was proved absolutely right.

primrose what do your friends think of the Nazi party in Germany now in the lead in the polls?

I would be worried to death.

What is Streeting waiting for?

The King I am presuming.

LizzieDrip

Fallingstar

But as I said if the plotters win I won’t vote Labour again because they are just like the Tories, believing that simply changing hats will work.

Same!

I’m a Labour Party member. If there’s leadership election, I’ll remain as a member so I can have my vote in that election.

Depending who wins, my party membership will be thrown in the bin and I won’t vote Labour again.

I really can’t understand you on this.
It’s the Party that matters not the leader who isn’t delivering what’s needed.
The Party will go on, and be strengthened by a better PM.
You can hardly be very strongly Labour if you’re prepared to abandon them so quickly imo.

I had doubts about Starmer all along.