So it begins….. Streeting resigns

Think about it! Why else would people prefer a racist tax dodging snake oil salesman to somebody who is basically good and well meaning? It must be because those people themselves support racism and tax dodging.

Why can’t they just put the country first, stop backstabbing and let Starmer do his job? It’s all about self-interest and I really despair at the state of politics in this country. The next election isn’t that far away and if Labour hasn’t regrouped sufficiently to keep Reform out, I’m leaving the country. I have dual nationality (my mother was German)

Couldn’t agree more twaddle.

It isn't just Labour which needs to regroup, but the Conservatives too. Essex County Council has been taken over by Reform from the Conservatives. I can't ever see any party except the Conservatives taking it back.

Strangely, a number of the new Reform councillors are former Conservatives. They actually seem more competent than many of the other Reform councillors. For example, they've scrapped the library charge for reserving books from other libraries, which was hugely unpopular. I have no idea how that will be funded, but it does show a degree of competence ie responding to what voters want.

Fallingstar

Bloody fools. Racing to throw their hats in the ring before the only man with a chance - Burnham - can join the race for leadership.
This reflects far more badly on them than on Starmer. Causing a ruckus when the country needs a steady hand on the tiller.
Whoever succeeds Starmer better have a magic wand because the troubles facing Starmer are not going away.

Hear, hear.

What on earth is wrong with people these days? It was clearly going to take a very long time to right the problems the country has. Why do they think a different face will be able to do any better just two years into a government?

I agree with you Basgetti. People seem to want things yesterday and are not prepared to wait. I don't understand why Andy Burnham is being promoted as the answer to all problems. Yes, he has done a good job for Manchester, but international events can and do interrupt carefully laid plans at the national level.We have evidence of that with Trump's war.

It was clearly going to take a very long time to right the problems the country has.
It's not the time it's taking to right things, but the detrimental choices being made to do this.

I'm just tired of the whole lot of them. Parties used to work together years ago and there wasn't this in fighting. This was started by the Tories who changed PMs and other MPs fairly regularly. Labour are now following that trend of disruption.

This is no way to run a country!!

Basgetti

Fallingstar

Bloody fools. Racing to throw their hats in the ring before the only man with a chance - Burnham - can join the race for leadership.
This reflects far more badly on them than on Starmer. Causing a ruckus when the country needs a steady hand on the tiller.
Whoever succeeds Starmer better have a magic wand because the troubles facing Starmer are not going away.

Hear, hear.

What on earth is wrong with people these days? It was clearly going to take a very long time to right the problems the country has. Why do they think a different face will be able to do any better just two years into a government?

Yes, the 2 minute brain and the X factor merge. With a dose of racism thrown in for good measure.

fancythat

Cardamom

Burnham has been a fantastic mayor for Manchester; he's transformed what was once a dirty, neglected city, stuck in the 1960s, to a vibrant, modern hub with a huge cultural development, beautiful buildings, and a fast, cheap transport system. Manchester is now a very young, modern, sleek place to live, work and visit. Much as I admire his successes in Manchester, I have my doubts that he can transfer those skills nationally.

Where did the money come from?

China

Is that a joke, or did it really?

Yes the racists on the palestine marches and in the green party are deeply worrying.

westendgirl

I agree with you Basgetti. People seem to want things yesterday and are not prepared to wait. I don't understand why Andy Burnham is being promoted as the answer to all problems. Yes, he has done a good job for Manchester, but international events can and do interrupt carefully laid plans at the national level.We have evidence of that with Trump's war.

I agree, the whole thing is utter madness and all involved should be thoroughly ashamed!

fancythat

Is that a joke, or did it really?

No it didn’t, my understanding is it came from various central government grants, which have to be applied for, he was a great Mayor but the 3mil he served now have to elect a new mayor and I wonder who’ll have their eye on this!

Galaxy

Yes the racists on the palestine marches and in the green party are deeply worrying.

I don’t think any party is free of racists.

What is deeply worrying is our acceptance of it. In the late 20th C we fought back Now it seems normalised.

twaddle

Think about it! Why else would people prefer a racist tax dodging snake oil salesman to somebody who is basically good and well meaning? It must be because those people themselves support racism and tax dodging.

Sadly I agree, but then again Reform really are, just like their predecessors UKIP, one trick ponies.

How utterly ironic that Brexit has greatly exacerbated the small boats issue.

*MaizieD

Galaxy
Yes the racists on the palestine marches and in the green party are deeply worrying.
I don’t think any party is free of racists.

What is deeply worrying is our acceptance of it. In the late 20th C we fought back Now it seems normalised.*

I think the normalisation of totally unacceptable discrimination is actually worse than the discrimination itself.

Sadly I noticed a huge increase of what some people feel is acceptable in terms of both attitude and speech during Brexit and it’s simply grown, abuse thrown at Jews, abuse towards all AS, abuse to Muslims, it’s utterly disgraceful and is not what our forebears fought for.

Andy Burnham is not the answer just because he did a good job in Manchester. Who thought that one up. Don't let him back in. Labour should stop with KS as no one else is up to it any way. Never thought Inwould say that.

MaizieD

Galaxy

Yes the racists on the palestine marches and in the green party are deeply worrying.

I don’t think any party is free of racists.

What is deeply worrying is our acceptance of it. In the late 20th C we fought back Now it seems normalised.

I'm sure you're right about their being racists who support all parties. I also agree that it seems to be normalised. Nevertheless, it is only Reform in which racist policies are enshrined, either as part of its appeal to a so-called anti-woke agenda or more explicitly. It has become the antithesis to any attempt to create equality or inclusivity.

There is a Labour Minister (Steve Read, Housing) being interviewed on GMB at the moment, he is denying that there is a Leadership challenge.

Technically he is correct…

Allsorts

Andy Burnham is not the answer just because he did a good job in Manchester. Who thought that one up. Don't let him back in. Labour should stop with KS as no one else is up to it any way. Never thought Inwould say that.

I dont really know enough about him.
But he must have had a good team, and influence to have regenerated Manchester?

Don’t they have to have an election for Andy Burnham to get in ? What if Reform get in ? Maybe he can just go straight in without an election, I don’t know what the rules are.

fancythat now, there’s a interesting comment, “having a good team”.

Perhaps those so intent on slating Starmer should remember, whilst the buck does stop with him as “head”, his “team” are also responsible for their actions, or lack of them.

I still think the LP need a far better PR team.

As far as I know Mayoral duties are not like being PM where every move you make or don’t make and everything you say or don’t say is scrutinised nationally on a daily basis and usually picked apart and found wanting. If Burnham becomes PM he will soon realise that being the golden boy of the Labour Party will soon become a thing of the past.

Why can’t they just put the country first, stop backstabbing and let Starmer do his job? - because the media have talked all this up to sell their papers and attract online subscribers. And like sheep the MPs are following.

The media have talked up Farage into something he never was; and now Labour MPs are boosting his ego by showing that he can dictate a change of PM. I do worry about how they can be so short-sighted and naive.

And as to Burnham - I think he should finish the job that he was elected to do and show good faith to the electors in GM. And does he not realise that he might be opening the door to a Reform mayor in GM and a Reform MP in Makerfield, where they ran a relatively close second last time round?

He may be the best thing since sliced bread and great PM material but he is opening up a massive can of worms.