Reform - Disgusting Misogyny - and more!

GrannyGravy13

Cossy I think our area will find out pretty soon how Reform in charge will affect us…

Oh! I think they already have. Charges for reserving library books and some parking charges have been abolished. (Thanks for the brioches, Reform!) That'll keep a few people quiet! Goody! So how are they going to pay for it? What's going to be cut?

Meanwhile, a former Conservative and UKIP councillor has been announced as council leader. He's not the only Conservative in the new cabinet, which begs the question why the Conservatives who used to be in charge of Essex didn't do the things they're promising to do now.

Galaxy

It is worse in my view. The vetting could have been done by Joe Bloggs and they would have reached a more sound judgement. The connection with Epstein was known as was Mandelssons own disastrous history.

I don’t agree, because it seems every man of the era in a position of power was connected with Epstein at that time. We don’t know the half of it about the vast majority of them, but we know a lot now about Mandelson than the vetting process could possibly have revealed at the time it was carried out for the ambassador role. I do agree that given his past history it was a massive gamble, and went wrong, and the criticism of the government is just in that respect - but it wasn’t down to the vetting as a process, it was down to error of judgement.

GrannyGravy13

Cossy I think our area will find out pretty soon how Reform in charge will affect us…

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Currently though I live in Essex, my council is a unitary which had many Reform gains, but no overall majority, so our previous Labour leader (it was NOC prior to the elections), has form a majority by hooking up with the Lib Dem’s, we have zero Reform councillors in the current council cabinet, which has enraged those who vote Reform but is a relief to the rest of us as all Reform councillors elected are brand new councillors and need to learn their roles and responsibilities first prior to being given more responsibility.

In any event, we have boundary changes in 2027, so in many ways it was a pointless and expensive exercise.

Again that is a class thing, when the middle class appoint someone they know to associate with epstein ( after he had been charged,) then it is a gamble. When trudeau blacks up it is just a youthful indiscretion but God forbid some bloke shouts that starmer is shit etc etc.

Different thread entirely, BUT many many names appear in the so called “Epstein files”, not all of them will be “wronguns”

Galaxy

Again that is a class thing, when the middle class appoint someone they know to associate with epstein ( after he had been charged,) then it is a gamble. When trudeau blacks up it is just a youthful indiscretion but God forbid some bloke shouts that starmer is shit etc etc.

I respectfully disagree, it’s nothing to do with class whatsoever, many people don’t even consider “class” as in the political use, ie working class, middle class, upper class.

Having said that I do think the whole RR episode has been taken a little too far, lots of people think Starmer is sh

Some countries actually still “black up”, my cousin attended a Spanish festival just last week, in Spain, where there was an rein-action of the Albanian/Spanish battle and Spanish people taking part “blacked up” and then proceeded to blacken the faces of some watching, she was one of these and almost her entire face was blackened!

I really do think the RR thing is a bit OTT, lots of people believe Starmer is shite, and think she is too. He was rude and disrespectful but it’s pretty much expected, doesn’t make it right but no worse than egging someone or chucking a McD Milkshake at someone else, all wrong, all a bit distasteful, but not really a big deal!

Galaxy

Again that is a class thing, when the middle class appoint someone they know to associate with epstein ( after he had been charged,) then it is a gamble. When trudeau blacks up it is just a youthful indiscretion but God forbid some bloke shouts that starmer is shit etc etc.

I don’t get what you mean, when applying that logic to the vetting process - I think you are clouding the difference between process and judgement.

There didn't need to be vetting done on Mandelsson did there. It didn't need to get to that stage. Is it worse not to do the vetting well ( as in reforms case) or to put someone forward for vetting knowing he should never have been put forward in the first place.
In addition if we are excluding people because of past tweets ( and I make no judgement on that idea one way or the other) then Wes Streeting will need to be excluded from the leadership race ( and presumably from holding public office).

I think in terms of RR, and I’m no fan of hers, though I do still support Starmer, anyhow, in terms of RR, it doesn’t matter now what she announces, she’ll be ridiculed. I genuinely believe her appointment was a mistake.

I agree; it was a huge mistake. Quite how she thinks offering children free bus rides for a month, when many areas have little to no bus service anyway, isn't offering much. And I can't imagine how, if a family is struggling with the cost of everyday living, knocking the vat off a £68 per child ticket for a theme park is just tone deaf; it's still way beyond the reach of ordinary families. Rachel is rearranging the chairs on the Titanic.....

Galaxy

There didn't need to be vetting done on Mandelsson did there. It didn't need to get to that stage. Is it worse not to do the vetting well ( as in reforms case) or to put someone forward for vetting knowing he should never have been put forward in the first place.
In addition if we are excluding people because of past tweets ( and I make no judgement on that idea one way or the other) then Wes Streeting will need to be excluded from the leadership race ( and presumably from holding public office).

I’m glad you agree with me on the difference between vetting and judgement, anyway.

As for whether people should be excluded from political office on the basis of their past social media presence, it must surely depend on what they actually say? If they say inhumane things like ‘ we should kill all non white people’ for example, then they should be excluded, whereas if they state their view on whatever grey issue it is, where public opinion is divided, then they shouldn’t be banned, but people should be made aware of what they believe. I think when voting for somebody, knowing where they stand on controversial issues in advance is important to help you decide if they represent you - although it’s always a compromise because nobody agrees on everything.

Didn’t you know, it’s all a MSM smear campaign?
Tice says so, so it must be true ….

Disgusting comments that most reasonable people would struggle to defend. Kenyon was vetted by Reform UK prior to standing in the 2024 election as an MP for Makerfield. He has deleted his now social media history when standing for a second time 2 years later. He has made no public statement disavowing and/or apologising for his racist and misogynist comments or to confirm that his views have changed- to my knowledge.

Farage/Reform response to media scrutiny is that Kenyon is a "straight talking man" and the comments were made "before he was in politics. Again, Farage/Reform have made no public statement disavowing and/or apologising for Kenyon's racist and misogynist comments or confirmed his views have changed or that such comments are unacceptable of any Reform candidate.

From that Kenyon's comments are deemed to be "straight talking" and , even if still held, acceptable as they occurred before becoming a Reform candidate. The sole Reform criteria is to clear up your social media accounts but you can carry on holding such racist and misogynistic views.

The trouble with Reform's current ;portion is that some of Kenyon's vile comments were made after he first stood as a Reform candidate 2024. Plus his X account was subsequently deleted after Reform vetting.

Following his June 2024 Makerfield campaign e.g. on August 10, following riots after the Southport killings, Kenyon responded to King Charles calls for unity by stating on X "Oh I think the King can open up his places and grounds for the asylum seekers" promoting hatred against asylum seekers during the riots.
Also in August 2014 he claimed "there is a 2 tier policing system against the native population"- stirring up hate against what he views as the UK none native population". There is more....

Reform actively promotes stirring up none native, anti immigrant hatred, at any opportunity. The Southport killer was neither an asylum seeker or an immigrant.

Reform sees no reason to investigate the current concerns about Kenyon as it shares the same values and views and the intention is to continue to amplify them.

Cardamom

^I think in terms of RR, and I’m no fan of hers, though I do still support Starmer, anyhow, in terms of RR, it doesn’t matter now what she announces, she’ll be ridiculed. I genuinely believe her appointment was a mistake.^

I agree; it was a huge mistake. Quite how she thinks offering children free bus rides for a month, when many areas have little to no bus service anyway, isn't offering much. And I can't imagine how, if a family is struggling with the cost of everyday living, knocking the vat off a £68 per child ticket for a theme park is just tone deaf; it's still way beyond the reach of ordinary families. Rachel is rearranging the chairs on the Titanic.....

I think it's an excellent idea. Nothing wrong with giving children a treat and taking a bit of financial pressure off parents.

Do you agree with Reform's reaction, Cossy? Personally, I don't find it very professional.

I think it's an excellent idea. Nothing wrong with giving children a treat and taking a bit of financial pressure off parents.

That doesn't surprise me at all.

I actually think that The Sun newspaper does more for families, with their day out and holiday vouchers than the few crumbs from Rachel Reeves.

I think it's reasonable to infer twaddle that those who are not criticising Reform's reaction are at least and accepting of Kenton's racist and misogynistic comments and condone Reform's reaction and position. Or at least prefer to keep quiet and not say anything against Kenyon or Reform. They might also actually agree with Kenyon's comments and share his view but that would be unfair as speculation.

I would think on balance it is more likely that those posters who veer voting towards Reform, and veer away from left leaning/left wing parties so conclude its best to keep quiet about the actual specific content and Reform's position...

twaddle

Do you agree with Reform's reaction, Cossy? Personally, I don't find it very professional.

Or divert and deflect to RR and other issues rather than give a view on Kenyon's specific recorded views and Reform's reaction.

Well thats what I thought. A lot of people who cant afford a weeks holiday do go off to theme parks

what on earth is wrong with a bit of a hand up to enjoy a day out as costs due to international affairs go up on everything.

Honestly, the nay sayers! Has it not also occurred it's giving bits of the hospitality industry a bit more money too?

Sheesh.

I do not support Reform UK in any way, shape or form.

We live in a free country (at the moment) and the electorate can put their X wherever they want at the ballot box.

MP’s get heckled all the time, always have and always will.

Does this make it ok, not really, but if that’s the only way a person can get their feelings heard by a MP…

I am reminded of the old saying if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen

Wyllow3

Well thats what I thought. A lot of people who cant afford a weeks holiday do go off to theme parks

what on earth is wrong with a bit of a hand up to enjoy a day out as costs due to international affairs go up on everything.

Honestly, the nay sayers! Has it not also occurred it's giving bits of the hospitality industry a bit more money too?

Sheesh.

I think what the naysayers are actually saying is that for the families who cannot afford to go to any of the attractions or theme parks, 20% off of the ticket price will not have them rushing to the gates.

Galaxy

There didn't need to be vetting done on Mandelsson did there. It didn't need to get to that stage. Is it worse not to do the vetting well ( as in reforms case) or to put someone forward for vetting knowing he should never have been put forward in the first place.
In addition if we are excluding people because of past tweets ( and I make no judgement on that idea one way or the other) then Wes Streeting will need to be excluded from the leadership race ( and presumably from holding public office).

I actually agree!

GrannyGravy13

I do not support Reform UK in any way, shape or form.

We live in a free country (at the moment) and the electorate can put their X wherever they want at the ballot box.

MP’s get heckled all the time, always have and always will.

Does this make it ok, not really, but if that’s the only way a person can get their feelings heard by a MP…

I am reminded of the old saying ^if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen^

Yep!

Wyllow3

Well thats what I thought. A lot of people who cant afford a weeks holiday do go off to theme parks

what on earth is wrong with a bit of a hand up to enjoy a day out as costs due to international affairs go up on everything.

Honestly, the nay sayers! Has it not also occurred it's giving bits of the hospitality industry a bit more money too?

Sheesh.

I agree and I think it might just help people, also, lots of people save up their “vouchers” from places like Tesco simply to give their kids a treat in the long summer holidays.