Police Probe Andrew Over Sex Offences

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jude2006

No judge in the land would ever find him guilty of anything, unfortunately. The police will drag the case out for as long as possible and he will not be arrested, as everyone would hope.
No-one has ever said no to him even when he was in the navy, or any of the royals for that matter, but at least the other members of the royal family are respectful, whereas he was not.

You’re right.
I don’t think anything will ever be proved against him even if his behaviour merits a court case.

If the Misconduct in Public Office charge or any other charge goes to trial it will be a jury that determines whther AMBW is guilty or innocent.

It will be a very public case and the Judge's sentence will necessarily be informed by the usual sentencing guidelines- if not there would be a public outcry internationally.

At the time of AMBW's arrest King Charles did say the law must take its course...

When the Misconduct charges were announced at first, I noticed that people were inferring that the misconduct must have been sexual, however, evidence to support any such allegations would surely hardly be conclusive, so I’d imagine that behaviour wouldn’t go before a jury.
I think he will go to trial, but his misdemeanours will be more of the financial/ abuse of his position kind, where there is a greater likelihood of evidence being available.

crazyH

I’m almost sure AMW and Fergie are in regular contact.
I wouldn’t be surprised if she has already been smuggled into his Sandringham abode . They have a few friends left …

I read that they were very much in contact still.

M0nica

AMW is not exactly leading the life of Reilly at the moment. banished to a rural property, and no doubt frozen out by the turnip toffs that form the Wales' Norfolk friends. He is living alone and in isolation.

He is not a man with any intellectual resources. His only interests seem to be golf and riding. He is virtually under house arrest, and likely to be so for the rest of his life. His reputation, such as he had, has been destroyed, he has been shown up to be a sleezy old man of limited intellectual capacity who has been sent to coventry by everyone including his own family.

He might actually be better off in prison with a fixed term and the chance of parole afte serving half his sentence.

He’s living a life which is a damn site nicer than many many divorced men who’ve never broken the law or been accused of assaulting women.

Ooops sight sorry

I agree.

M0nica

AMW is not exactly leading the life of Reilly at the moment. banished to a rural property, and no doubt frozen out by the turnip toffs that form the Wales' Norfolk friends. He is living alone and in isolation.

He is not a man with any intellectual resources. His only interests seem to be golf and riding. He is virtually under house arrest, and likely to be so for the rest of his life. His reputation, such as he had, has been destroyed, he has been shown up to be a sleezy old man of limited intellectual capacity who has been sent to coventry by everyone including his own family.

He might actually be better off in prison with a fixed term and the chance of parole afte serving half his sentence.

You dislike old large farm homes on rural properties, not a view shared by all. We live in an old farm home, in the rural area within 50 miles of AMW. We love it here in East Anglia.

I think he is very lucky not being in prison.

I am sick of hearing about Andrew, Fergie and the Susses’s. They all live in luxury.

Probably reading the wrong thread Allsorts if you dont want to hear about AMBW 😂

Norah

M0nica

AMW is not exactly leading the life of Reilly at the moment. banished to a rural property, and no doubt frozen out by the turnip toffs that form the Wales' Norfolk friends. He is living alone and in isolation.

He is not a man with any intellectual resources. His only interests seem to be golf and riding. He is virtually under house arrest, and likely to be so for the rest of his life. His reputation, such as he had, has been destroyed, he has been shown up to be a sleezy old man of limited intellectual capacity who has been sent to coventry by everyone including his own family.

He might actually be better off in prison with a fixed term and the chance of parole afte serving half his sentence.

You dislike old large farm homes on rural properties, not a view shared by all. We live in an old farm home, in the rural area within 50 miles of AMW. We love it here in East Anglia.

I think he is very lucky not being in prison.

Norah You misunderstand me I love old large farmhouses and rural properties. I have just moved from very old village farmhouse in country village to town for practical reasons, but have just spend 2 days back in the country and I ache for it.

I was talking about such properties in relation to AMW and the kind of person he is. He is a man devoid of inner resources. For him life means lots of social life, having easy access to big cosmopolitan cities and the entertainments they offer. That is why he enjoyed being a trade envoy, travelling the world being wind and dined and entertained to his needs. His idea of the good life is the one he had with Epstein.

Living in a rural farmhouse where the neighbours do not want to know him and nightlife means listening to owls and foxes and other little nature scrabblings, is just not his thing.

Heaven forfend that I should ever speak dismissively of old farm houses, they are my ideal home. But they are not everybody's

Palace given AMW trade envoy emails six years ago.

The Palace is not the Queen, it is the officials. We can’t know for sure if she was told the full story until the official records are released.

Andrew Lownie says top diplomats warned queen what Andrew was up.

What I said was factual Samwam. We can’t know exactly what was said, and a warning is not necessarily the full facts. We will only find out when the official records are released.

Those emails seem to have been about 'fraud' issues.
Possibly that's what they'll go for rather than the alleged sex crimes.
I am using the term 'alleged' wisely.

Lownie! surely he told the late Queen himself

AMW is the offender not the late queen. We will probably never know how much she knew. She will have taken advice on how to proceed if she did know the extent of his crimes.
I'm sure she must have found this upsetting and very disappointing in a much loved son. This must have affected her badly.

Lownie's book must be a best seller as it is now available in paperback in the local supermarket.

I think the ueen was like any mother who is always protective of the child who is struggling most, whether that is for good or ill.

Andrew is clearly less intelligent than his siblings and socially inept, easily beguiled by presents, gifts and flattery, and rude and arrogant to those he considers below him.

Despite AMW's courage in the Falklands War and his enjoyment of his naval career, I do not think the navy reciprocated those feelings. He was not popular with fellow officers and ratings and had to be discretely supported in all his roles by officers working with him. He left the navy when he did because promoting him further was out of the uestion for reasons of ability and character.

I can understand why AMW was a constant worry for his mother, who did all she could to try and find a role for him that would occupy him and keep him at least adjacent to the straight and narrow. She was his mother.

I am sure there are members of GN who have a wayward child who they worry about constantly and try to do all they can to help, even at the expense of their siblings. the ueen was no different.

Fair comment MOnica.

That is perfectly fine and right how a mother would feel I agree, however the Queen was our Head of State paid handsomely for that public role.
She wanted AMW to be a trade envoy, although Charles had misgivings. The palace was told about his many misdeeds, giving away government secrets to friends business associates, doing exactly what he liked having massages and prostitutes all paid for by the public purse.
The top diplomats warning palace about AMW were sent away with a flea in their ear or demoted.
There has been a cover up by the Palace about AMW the question has to be asked. What did they know? Accountability and transparency.

I think everyone has their blind spot, even women whose life as generally exemplary, like our late ueen.

I can see also see that when private and public life are so closely interwoven, the decisions are hard to make.

But these problems are not particular to our royal family. Look at Scotland in recent years. Political and managerial leadership of the ruling party lay with one married couple and we are being asked to believe that someone considered able and gifted enough to run the government of a country at an exceedingly difficult time,

As a deluge of expensive coffee makers, other expensive devices, £80,000 cars etc etc came to the house did she really never have a single ualm of unease. I mean her DH (at the time) need not be embezzling money, he could just as easily have been running up huge credit card debts, or remortgaging the house with forged documents.

The leader of Scotland did exactly what the Royal Family did, she obstructed enuiry, sidelined those who asked uestions. and made sure her DH was protected from everything.

If AMW is ever charged, then we will get a chance to 'see' the evidence.
Have a feeling that they will go for the misconduct in public office, instead of the Epstein issues.
Probably easier to prove.

Norman Baker and Andrew Lownie write about monarchy the reforms needed.

Reforms which are long overdue and make the monarchy fit for purpose for the 21st century. Today, in conjunction with the Daily Mail, we are launching a campaign for greater royal transparency, not least when it comes to money.

We believe that, together, Buckingham Palace and the Government must enact a series of measures which would help regain the trust and respect of the British people.

Measures

Remove the ban on questions in Parliament

First, there must be proper parliamentary accountability, with members of both Houses of Parliament being allowed to ask questions about the monarchy and scrutinise public expenditure on the royals.

Replace the Sovereign Grant with a new “Royal Duties Grant”

We believe the bloated Sovereign Grant should be replaced with a new Royal Duties Grant voted upon annually by MPs. This would return us to the position that existed between 1760 and 2011.

Fold the Duchies into the Crown Estate

The Duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster should be subsumed into the Crown Estate, which – despite the name – has been wholly owned by the British public for more than two centuries. (In return, the taxpayer agrees to fund some of the monarchy’s costs.)

Run on ruthlessly commercial lines, the Duchy of Lancaster produced more than £27million for King Charles in the last reported year; the Duchy of Cornwall earned almost £24million for Prince William. The Duchies should no longer be exempt from capital gains and corporation taxes, as they are at present.

Full PAC inquiry into royal finances

Parliament’s Public Accounts Committee should commence a full and detailed investigation into all aspects of royal finances, not least the rents paid for Crown properties such as Royal Lodge, formerly occupied by Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor. After an initial multi-million-pound investment, he had lived there virtually rent-free.

Commercial rents for Crown Estate properties

A full list of ‘grace and favour’ properties presently controlled by the Royal Family should be made available. Commercial rents should be applied and the money paid to the Crown Estate.

Make royal wills public

We believe that royal wills should be open to public inspection. We would like to see a royal register – just like the parliamentary register – in which business interests are declared. This is hardly a new suggestion, by the way: it was first proposed in Parliament more than 20 years ago.

Remove royal exemptions from FOI

The Royal Family’s freedom from complying with the FOI Act should be removed, leaving only the exemptions that apply to the rest of the population. Thousands of files relating to the Royal Family – some going back to the Victorian period and most completely innocuous – remain closed for no good reason.
All those going back beyond 20 years should now be made accessible, subject to the usual exemptions that apply to public records.

Inventorise the royal archives

We also want the Royal Archives to publish an inventory of the material it holds – a small step, you might think. The same applies to the Royal Collection Trust, to be renamed the National Collections Trust, which should publish a full inventory of the treasures it holds in two lists: one clearly showing what it keeps on behalf of the Crown and one detailing what is held privately for the King.

Fully open Buckingham Palace

Buckingham Palace and its extensive gardens should be fully opened as a public museum. All proceeds from entry tickets to this and other royal properties should go to the Treasury.

Investigate AMW’s time as a trade envoy

Finally, we believe that much, much more should be disclosed about the activities of Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor. How was he allowed to spend a decade as trade envoy running up huge costs at public expense? Such a scandal must never happen again.

All the files relating to him from the Foreign Office and Department for Business and Trade should be released immediately to help us understand who he met on these trips, who accompanied him, and why.

We need a parliamentary inquiry into Andrew’s time as trade envoy, including evidence from former foreign secretaries, from the heads of the former UK Trade & Industry department which employed him, and from ambassadors to the countries that he visited, including Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan. They should be summoned to give evidence on oath.

This is all very good and what republic have been campaigning for too. I would prefer an elected head of state to replace the monarchy.

Do you think the mature, experienced and worldly wise people on this site are unaware of the views of Republicans, and have not made their own minds up what they think already, whether they are pro or anti the monarchy Samwam?

Yes people have made their own minds up wether pro or anti monarchy. I am just posting what reforms are needed for the monarchy written by those know better than most.