Carol Vorderman demands apology from Reform candidate over ‘disgusting comments’ Is she right and should Kenyon apologise?

Tells you all you need to know about Reform, doesn't it.

I think that it is helpful to know exactly what was said.
There is a risk, otherwise, of the subject of this kind of language being a " pearl clutcher " " woke" " snowflake".
Whenever a child used language which needed a comment to parents, I quoted the actual words "She referred to the supply teacher as a w****r" or " He called me a c***", so that we were all clear what we are talking about.
I dislike the expression " hurty words" particularly, unless they are used to explain unkindness to kindergartners.

I am no fan of Carol Vorderman but agree with her totally on this one. What a horrible, creepy, slimy remark to make. He should be thoroughly ashamed of himself.

Carole Vorderman was happy to repeat Kenyon’s exact words in newspaper articles to be read by all in the country. She chose not to remain silent.

I was equally happy to quote direct from her newspaper articles to facilitate a debate from the woman’s perspective in contrast to debate Reform Uk.

You can choose to remain silent on the actual words, already known to thousands if not millions of people in the Uk if you so wish Kandinsky, no one is stopping you.

The horse had bolted before this post!

Kenyon and Reform Uk do not have exclusive right to “straight talking”.

I think he is a deplorable man and Carole Vorderman should at least get an apology.

But for everybody living in the Public Eye. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

I've had worse said to me by men on buses when l have asked to sit on a disabled seat that they have taken up

When they clearly not disabled and don't have a disabled bus pass

You shouldn't have had to put up with that, WithNobsOnIt.

I don't suppose Carol Vorderman has turned into a quivering jelly with the shock of the words. It still doesn't mean that anybody has the right to target such disgusting words at her.

"But for everybody living in the Public Eye. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

I've had worse said to me by men on buses when l have asked to sit on a disabled seat that they have taken up"

Well IMO you have just demonstrated why people in the public eye should call out the abuse they receive. If people like CV accept that being abused in this way is what they have to take, then it gives license to every misogynist to abuse people who are not in the "public eye" and who, therefore, don't have access to a means of complaint. It's the people who are prepared to "stick their head above the parapet" that make the changes in society not the ones who keep their mouth firmly shut!

Cossy

I think anything of this nature posted online and then “supported” by another poster is simply completely disgusting.

It needs more than just a public apology and I don’t care who said it or why or when, it’s now out there online and it’s completely degrading!

Do men really and truly believe this is what women want to read?

Men like him, do not care what women think. Misogynists do not like women.

MayBee70

I think they have deliberately chosen an unelectable candidate because they want Burnham to win. So they can say their Starmer Out campaign worked.

Wouldn't that be a kick in the teeth for all "ordinary men" who vote for them? Proving, they care not a jot for the electorate.

I think that about the people who voted for the MP who has stood down to assist Andy Burnham’s political career and the voters where he was el voted as Mayor.

icanhandthemback

I think that about the people who voted for the MP who has stood down to assist Andy Burnham’s political career and the voters where he was el voted as Mayor.

Precisely. And also a lot of the voters would not necessarily be Labour voters, but people who could see the Conservatives becoming unelectable and turned to Labour to keep Reform out. This is disrespectful to them and also playing into the hands of Reform.

Don’t you think that Burnham will win the seat then Maybee?
I think he has a really good chance of it.

A crude man, not a good advertisement for the Reform party, or maybe he is ?

In answer to the question threat title, " ... should Kenyan apologise", my answer is no, he shouldn't - not unless he actually realizes and accepts that his comments were appalling.
An insincere apology would be worthless!

Better IMO that his refusal helps more people to realize what sort of person he really is.

Oreo

Don’t you think that Burnham will win the seat then Maybee?
I think he has a really good chance of it.

Either way it will be a win for Reform. If they win the seat they win. If they lose Burnham will win, will try to oust Starmer and their Starmer Out campaign will have worked.

Oreo

Don’t you think that Burnham will win the seat then Maybee?
I think he has a really good chance of it.

I’ll be honest, this whole Andy Burnham thing and MPs stepping down and taking this awful risk makes me feel a little uneasy.

Reform whipped up so much support, very quickly, using people’s fears and anxieties and frustration, how awful would it be if they actually won!

Oldnproud

In answer to the question threat title, " ... should Kenyan apologise", my answer is no, he shouldn't - not unless he actually realizes and accepts that his comments were appalling.
An insincere apology would be worthless!

Better IMO that his refusal helps more people to realize what sort of person he really is.

Sadly, it seems, those who support don’t seem to much care.

I think he should be forced to issue a retraction and acknowledge his comment was completely unacceptable. Much better than a half arsed non-apology!

Cossy

Oldnproud

In answer to the question threat title, " ... should Kenyan apologise", my answer is no, he shouldn't - not unless he actually realizes and accepts that his comments were appalling.
An insincere apology would be worthless!

Better IMO that his refusal helps more people to realize what sort of person he really is.

Sadly, it seems, those who support don’t seem to much care.

I think he should be forced to issue a retraction and acknowledge his comment was completely unacceptable. Much better than a half arsed non-apology!

My priority concern is not whether Kenyon is sincere or not if he issues an apology. The priority is to address the impact such on line comments on CV and women generally. The absence of that focus gives a dangerous message to society.

I think Kenyon should make a public apology whether sincere or not. This has the benefit of men of all ages in his constituency, particularly those who are young, know such comments are not acceptable.

If Kenyon is unable to do that, and considers he's justified in his "private thoughts about women", then as second best option, in line with Cossy's suggestion, a retraction should be issued publicly to withdraw the comments, ideally from Kenyon or if not fromm a Reform UK spokesperson.

The absence of either is a message of condoning such comments as acceptable to all the men of Makerfield who are Reform leading- ie if my local politician can say these things it's must be OK.

I don't think either an apology or a retraction statement are likely.

leading= leaning

Seconded *Cossy & foxie48*👏👏👏

foxie you have the skill of expressing complex, difficult issues in a very meaningful, thoughtful way … something I really admire🙏

Oreo

Don’t you think that Burnham will win the seat then Maybee?
I think he has a really good chance of it.

I think that’s missing the point. People vote in good faith for the person they want and hope they’ll be there for the period of the government in power. I am also uneasy about how this particular situation is being manipulated by Andy’s supporters.

icanhandthemback

Oreo

Don’t you think that Burnham will win the seat then Maybee?
I think he has a really good chance of it.

I think that’s missing the point. People vote in good faith for the person they want and hope they’ll be there for the period of the government in power. I am also uneasy about how this particular situation is being manipulated by Andy’s supporters.

I don’t think it’s for the good of the country and I don’t think it looks good for the party after years of Conservative leadership musical chairs. So who is going to benefit from all this? Manchester May will lose their mayor. Makerfield will lose their elected MP whoever wins. Reform might gain the constituency or get a Reform mayor of Manchester.

On the other hand:

1) Reform may loose Makerfield
2) A Burnham win will demonstrate that Burnham has the pulling power to resist everything Farage/Reform UK threw at Makerfield
3) Burnham may go on to bring new ideas for change for the Labour Party as well as serve Makerfield
4) Burnham may go on to become PM in a leadership challenge- he is the favoured candidate of Labour members and the Unions
5) Burnham may go on to change the fortunes and direction of travel for the Labour Party for the next 2-3 years of government
6) The Labour Party may go on to win a second term with Starmer gone (recent by election results were dire for Starmer) and stop a Farage/Reform UK winning the next election
7) If Burnham wins Makerfield the statutory Deputy Mayor will stand into the Mayor vacancy until a by election within 35 days
8) A Labour Mayor may be elected for Greater Manchester in that by election- campaigning to continue the good work that Burnham has done over the past 10 years
9) If, by some chance a Reform Mayor wins that by election and does not perform as well as Burnham has, and is viewed less favourably that would be adverse for Reform UK and lower their chances at the next GE.

Well, I left our Labour Party because I was never left wing enough for them ( eg Chris Williamson was a member). Felt happy to rejoin with Keir as leader but will resign my membership if Burnham becomes PM. Will still vote for my excellent new Labour MP. It feels wrong to not give the current government the five years they fought for and won. Especially given the obstacles that they have had to face; mainly Trump.