Henry Nowak…….an absolute tragedy.

Magenta8

Have I got this right; the police handcuffed and manhandled a man who was bleeding profusely and had difficulty breathing?

Leaving aside all other considerations, of which, of course, there are many, this in itself is outrageous in my opinion.

It is. That poor family will be left always wondering whether their precious boy could have been saved with medical help. It’s just awful.

I was shocked to learn that the perpetrator was of the Sikh community. Anecdotal only of course, but in my experience of living in various towns and cities, including London and Birmingham, the Sikh community has always been welcoming and peaceable. I suppose every community has its share of warped people 🤷‍♀️

I think even the act of hadcuffing Henry is questionable.
He was hardly a danger to himself or anyone else by that point.

I thought that was the criteria for restraining someone.

MissAdventure

I think even the act of hadcuffing Henry is questionable.
He was hardly a danger to himself or anyone else by that point.

I thought that was the criteria for restraining someone.

Totally agree. And reading him his rights. Beggars belief.

Basgetti

Magenta8

Have I got this right; the police handcuffed and manhandled a man who was bleeding profusely and had difficulty breathing?

Leaving aside all other considerations, of which, of course, there are many, this in itself is outrageous in my opinion.

It is. That poor family will be left always wondering whether their precious boy could have been saved with medical help. It’s just awful.

I was shocked to learn that the perpetrator was of the Sikh community. Anecdotal only of course, but in my experience of living in various towns and cities, including London and Birmingham, the Sikh community has always been welcoming and peaceable. I suppose every community has its share of warped people 🤷‍♀️

The footage I have seen does not show the police manhandling Henry. It shows the officers arriving on the scene and Digwa making false allegations against Henry. As a result one of the officers placed handcuffs on his in line with the nature of allegations against Henry ( at that stage the did not know they were false) and adhering to arrest process in such circumstances.

I personally did not see any blood on this part of the video footage. The female officer sought to check Henry, initially by checking his pupils- then the video footage ends.

As the footage ended at that stage we did not get to see what happened next i.e. when the handcuffs were taken off and the efforts of the police to maintain life and call 999. The coroner's report contains this information however.

REKA

MissAdventure

I think even the act of hadcuffing Henry is questionable.
He was hardly a danger to himself or anyone else by that point.

I thought that was the criteria for restraining someone.

Totally agree. And reading him his rights. Beggars belief.

Standard police process in line with the nature of the allegations Digwa made. Digwa lied but the police officers did not know at that stage he was lying.

MissAdventure

I think even the act of hadcuffing Henry is questionable.
He was hardly a danger to himself or anyone else by that point.

I thought that was the criteria for restraining someone.

Under UK law, police officers can only handcuff someone if it is lawful, necessary, proportionate and to prevent escape, protect individuals from harm (i.e. anyone, including the public and the person being handcuffed) or stop the person destroying evidence. Officers MUST give the statutory caution as soon as there are grounds to suspect them of an offence.

The video clearly shows the allegations Digwa made against Henry.

Perhaps they could have given Henry the benefit of the doubt, then, as he told them four times that he couldn't breathe.

Henry told the officers that he had been stabbed and couldn’t breathe multiple times. An officer replied “I don’t think you have, mate”.
Is that “standard procedure”?

LemonJam

REKA

MissAdventure

I think even the act of hadcuffing Henry is questionable.
He was hardly a danger to himself or anyone else by that point.

I thought that was the criteria for restraining someone.

Totally agree. And reading him his rights. Beggars belief.

Standard police process in line with the nature of the allegations Digwa made. Digwa lied but the police officers did not know at that stage he was lying.

They chose to believe Digwa though.

Reading the report on the BBC news site just now made me, for the first time ever, feel close to tears for Henry and for his family who must now be thinking of his last moments.
Very very sad.

And shocking behaviour from the police. But sadly not surprising behaviour.
The perpetrator is beneath contempt so I won't mention his name or think of him at all. And his mother who I think was an accesory after the event.

MaizieD

I’m really not sure why this particular case of a random murder should be the cause of outrage? Does this by any chance have anything to do with the ethnicity of the murderer?

Think it is more to do with the behaviour of the dimwit plod.

Sueinkent 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Lemonjam said Digwa lied but the police officers did not know at that stage he was lying.

Why would the police choose to believe Digwa but chose not to believe Henry?

This morning I watched Henry’s father make his statement. What a dignified response he gave. I thought Henry’s sister, Olivia, looked so utterly, utterly broken. 😥

I've watched the video now, and am amazed that someone didn't pick up that simething was very seriously wrong, and that Henry's condition was rapidly deteriorating before their eyes.

Basgetti

Henry told the officers that he had been stabbed and couldn’t breathe multiple times. An officer replied “I don’t think you have, mate”.
Is that “standard procedure”?

He did say that. The female officer then checked him then the footage stopped.

They did initially believe Digwa yes.

The murderer and his family are the ones to blame, aided by a stupid dimwit copper. Don`t blame all the police

Dsil has just been accepted for the police force, ex military officer, ex teacher and has been told he will be fast tracked. They have far too many woke people without life experience

It does not help that parliament is full of career politicians and lets start with our so-called leaders

His hands are deathly white, his breathing laboured, increasingly so as minutes pass, at the end he is non responsive, not even avle to tell them again that he can't breathe.

Basgetti

Henry told the officers that he had been stabbed and couldn’t breathe multiple times. An officer replied “I don’t think you have, mate”.
Is that “standard procedure”?

Imagine if when the the perpetrator said he had been racially abused the Police officer said “I don’t think you have mate”.

It was actually ridiculous that the officer said 'I don't think you have mate" to the victim when that would be easily proved or disproved. The accusation of a racist remark is much more open to question.

Digwa, his brother and father are back in court today, six charges of possessing offensive weapons in a private place. The date of the offences is the day after the murder - the whole family are violent.

Surely standard response if someone is lying on the ground hardly able to move or breath saying they have been stabbed is to ask “where have you been stabbed?”

Henry Nowak was bleeding profusely , but into his lungs, and was choking, or drowning, in his own blood. Moving him to handcuff him could have hastened his death.
He was not resisting arrest, and Digra, his brother, possibly his father and definitely his mother who concealed the murder weapon, knew that he had been stabbed.
Taken from the CPS website:
The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) defines racist hate crime as any incident perceived by the victim (or anyone else) to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on race. Prosecutors treat such offenses with a zero-tolerance approach and will seek an automatic sentence uplift at court. [1, 2, 3]
Key judgements, definitions, and actions defining the CPS's position include:
•Official Definition: The CPS uses a definition agreed upon with the National Police Chiefs' Council, accepting the victim's perspective even before there is sufficient evidence to prosecute. [1]

The police officer believed Digra to be the victim, therefore he was following instructions and may use this in his defence.

If any good comes out of tragedy, a review of how the police make their decisions with no evidence and only hearsay, will benefit both the public and the force itself. Trust in law enforcement officers needs to be rapidly restored. Somehow.

LemonJam

Primrose53

L Hoyle, the Speaker had to intervene yesterday because of the silence from Starmer and say that this would be discussed in Parliament this afternoon. apparently this is highly unusual.

What is it about Starmer that he always fails to do the right thing? He shouldn’t need to be told! Look how fast he responded to the murder of the convicted criminal George Floyd which happened in the US!!! Nothing to do with us but he jumped right in there, taking the knee and releasing statements.

Henry was a decent, white British young man just starting out on his University career. Just 12 weeks into his course with his whole life ahead of him. Shocking beyond belief.

George Floyd was brutally murdered by a police officer. The bodycamm footage showing the officer kneeling on Floyd for 9 minutes until he died of asphyxiation shocked the world. Many many leaders, politicians, sports men and women and celebrities took the knee and/or made public statements.

Floyd's horrific and brutal police murder because of racist beliefs is to do with people that thought it wrong and would like to see an end to such police brutality and racism. Starmer was one of the many that took thought it wrong and that did and does not reflect badly on him.

Regarding your last sentence about Starmer - thousands would completely disagree with you. It reflects very badly on him.
He should be supporting the people of this country not a convicted criminal in the US!