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Henry Nowak…….an absolute tragedy.

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Sago Fri 29-May-26 08:41:07

How has the tragic case of this young man not caused outrage?

Imagine if he had been a person of colour or ethnic minority.

The Police handling of this case raises serious questions.

The killer behaved appallingly, lying to Police and then getting his family to hide weapons and cover for him.

It’s also astonishing to learn Sikhs can carry these knives in public because they are “ religious regalia”

For anyone that isn’t aware of this tragedy here is a link.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70vy0kknj4o

Sago Tue 02-Jun-26 07:25:59

The video footage is a hard watch, the poor family knowing his final minutes of life were so traumatic.

It’s sad beyond belief.

Gracey Tue 02-Jun-26 07:36:06

The body-cam footage of Henry's last moments including the appalling way the police dealt with the poor lad was extremely upsetting. The perpetrator, or rather the murderer, who lied and used the racist card, was treated with kid gloves by the police.

AGAA4 Tue 02-Jun-26 07:37:16

I saw the video this morning and was upset. No comfort for that poor young man as he lay dying. The police were more interested in what may have been a racist slur than a stabbing. He told them several times that he couldn't breathe.
I'm glad the vicious thug has been jailed for 21 years but it isn't enough for the distressing way that Henry died.

ronib Tue 02-Jun-26 08:01:51

I read that the murderer was allowed home to select food to bring to the police station.

Does anyone know what job the murderer had?

Sarnia Tue 02-Jun-26 08:11:38

I couldn't watch the video footage, knowing what we know now about what had actually happened. I wonder why that needed to be shown.
The police officer dealing with the case clearly thought Henry was the offender but when does sheer common sense and humanity come into this? Henry is bleeding and saying he cannot breathe yet no emergency care or an ambulance is called at this stage. Something is very wrong with police training.

Fallingstar Tue 02-Jun-26 08:43:39

Totally disgraceful. If a young man lies bleeding and saying he can’t breathe regardless of what the police have been told emergency services must be called asap and there is no excuse for handcuffs. Also am hearing that the murderer was not handcuffed at any time, even when it became clear that he had stabbed Henry. I hope Henry’s family take the police force to the cleaners and set a much needed precedent that when called to a crime scene police must not make knee jerk decisions based upon race but take enough time to actually assess the situation intelligently and certainly call for an ambulance immediately regardless of any crime when a young person is bleeding and saying they can’t breathe.
Am so angry and upset for the family.
I also believe the brother and mother should be prosecuted for seeking to pervert the course of justice.

Primrose53 Tue 02-Jun-26 08:54:45

L Hoyle, the Speaker had to intervene yesterday because of the silence from Starmer and say that this would be discussed in Parliament this afternoon. apparently this is highly unusual.

What is it about Starmer that he always fails to do the right thing? He shouldn’t need to be told! Look how fast he responded to the murder of the convicted criminal George Floyd which happened in the US!!! Nothing to do with us but he jumped right in there, taking the knee and releasing statements.

Henry was a decent, white British young man just starting out on his University career. Just 12 weeks into his course with his whole life ahead of him. Shocking beyond belief.

BoggledMind Tue 02-Jun-26 08:54:51

Fallingstar, you are right, medical treatment should have been the priority. Henry was stabbed five times including in the face and chest. There would have been blood pouring out and that should have been obvious to anyone next to him. Treat first, place under arrest in hospital (that's what usually happens).

Primrose53 Tue 02-Jun-26 09:25:59

Fallingstar a person with experience of Police training was on TV last night. He said that they are taught to take any accusations of racial attacks with priority.

It does look like they saw this as most important on that night so ignored Henry’s situation but listened to the killer’s brother who lied that they had been attacked. He even pointed to his eye where there was nothing visible but said he had been hit!

Sarnia Tue 02-Jun-26 09:26:00

Every now and again, amongst all the tragedies, comes one which grabs our attention even more. Sarah Everard was one such case for me and I think Henry Nowak may be another. His father, clearly devastated after yesterday's hearing, came across to me as someone who is determined to get answers and make some changes. I can't see him being fobbed off by the 'lessons will be learned' brigade. Henry's Dad means business and good luck to him.

Primrose53 Tue 02-Jun-26 09:27:49

Sarnia

Every now and again, amongst all the tragedies, comes one which grabs our attention even more. Sarah Everard was one such case for me and I think Henry Nowak may be another. His father, clearly devastated after yesterday's hearing, came across to me as someone who is determined to get answers and make some changes. I can't see him being fobbed off by the 'lessons will be learned' brigade. Henry's Dad means business and good luck to him.

👏👏👏. I feel the same. He is a very determined man and will do everything he can in memory of his son.

Oreo Tue 02-Jun-26 09:29:33

Fallingstar

Totally disgraceful. If a young man lies bleeding and saying he can’t breathe regardless of what the police have been told emergency services must be called asap and there is no excuse for handcuffs. Also am hearing that the murderer was not handcuffed at any time, even when it became clear that he had stabbed Henry. I hope Henry’s family take the police force to the cleaners and set a much needed precedent that when called to a crime scene police must not make knee jerk decisions based upon race but take enough time to actually assess the situation intelligently and certainly call for an ambulance immediately regardless of any crime when a young person is bleeding and saying they can’t breathe.
Am so angry and upset for the family.
I also believe the brother and mother should be prosecuted for seeking to pervert the course of justice.

Excellent post!
I agree totally.

Mollygo Tue 02-Jun-26 09:31:16

Listening to the speech at the arrest, did I hear
“I’ve been stabbed”
“I don’t think so mate”

Silvershadow Tue 02-Jun-26 09:31:32

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Silvershadow Tue 02-Jun-26 09:34:38

And another thing, our young are being urged not to carry knives, not that they take notice of that, but these Sikhs are allowed to. All in the name of religion. Two tier rules yet again.

MissAdventure Tue 02-Jun-26 09:37:02

I can't watch the video of Henry's last moments, and I'm not usually at all squeamish about these things.

It is described exactly as i had picked up from floating around online - ironically from some of the undesirable groups.

That poor, poor young man.
I keep thinking of him smoothing his hair down in the mirror, checking he looks ok...

Sago Tue 02-Jun-26 09:49:19

Silvershadow

It is utterly disgusting. I feel so sorry for that family. If the Sikhs want to live in our country they should leave their daggers in India, where they belong. Failing which, go back there to embrace their ways which are not wanted in the UK and are not compatible with our country. Bending over backwards to all these immigrants is what has led us to this sorry state. It’s utterly shaming.

I have lived in Southampton area, in defence of the Sikh community they are very peaceful and integrate well.

This young man and his families behaviour will not have gone down well with the Sikh community.

The killer was clearly a knife obsessed madman and could have been of any colour or creed.

He was not an immigrant but British born and bred.

What we have to look is inverse racism and the effect it had on this young man’s death.

25Avalon Tue 02-Jun-26 09:53:04

Terrible terrible! The poor lad was asking for them to call an ambulance which was ignored. What happened to humanity? The Sikh religion does not encourage or endorse this kind of behaviour either so this guy playing the race card was a bad’un. I have known a Sikh family for over 40 years and you could not meet nicer, more respectful, harder working people. Theirs is generally a peaceful religion.

Silvershadow Tue 02-Jun-26 09:57:18

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25Avalon Tue 02-Jun-26 10:12:06

I’ve just watched the police cam video on the Telegraph news page. I want to cry.

Primrose53 Tue 02-Jun-26 10:17:08

Mollygo

Listening to the speech at the arrest, did I hear
“I’ve been stabbed”
“I don’t think so mate”

yes you did and the only person who showed a slight bit of concern was the female officer who said (after a while) that his pupils were not reacting or something to that effect.

Sarnia Tue 02-Jun-26 10:51:12

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REKA Tue 02-Jun-26 11:09:52

The female officer was the only one who showed any interest in what was happening. She mentioned the possible stabbing, her colleague said he hadn't been but she said 'we have to check, don't we?'

She then decided to phone an ambulance after pointing out his pupils weren't reacting. Thank goodness for her.

It's just beyond horrific what happened to this poor boy.

LemonJam Tue 02-Jun-26 11:18:43

Silvershadow asked- why nobody has taken the knee for Henry. It is because Henry was not brutally murdered by the police.

The origins of taking the knee: In the US, a police officer, one of 4 who arrived on the scene, knelt on George Floyd's neck and back for over 9 minutes thereby fatally murdering him by asphyxiation. This incident of flagrant police brutality that resulted in his murder was captured by body cam and spread nationally and then globally. The police brutality and murder of a black man evidencing their racism outraged people across the US and across the world.

After Floyd's murder, around the world people kneeled at protests, football matches etc in protest against the police brutally murdering a black man.

LemonJam Tue 02-Jun-26 11:27:29

Primrose53

L Hoyle, the Speaker had to intervene yesterday because of the silence from Starmer and say that this would be discussed in Parliament this afternoon. apparently this is highly unusual.

What is it about Starmer that he always fails to do the right thing? He shouldn’t need to be told! Look how fast he responded to the murder of the convicted criminal George Floyd which happened in the US!!! Nothing to do with us but he jumped right in there, taking the knee and releasing statements.

Henry was a decent, white British young man just starting out on his University career. Just 12 weeks into his course with his whole life ahead of him. Shocking beyond belief.

George Floyd was brutally murdered by a police officer. The bodycamm footage showing the officer kneeling on Floyd for 9 minutes until he died of asphyxiation shocked the world. Many many leaders, politicians, sports men and women and celebrities took the knee and/or made public statements.

Floyd's horrific and brutal police murder because of racist beliefs is to do with people that thought it wrong and would like to see an end to such police brutality and racism. Starmer was one of the many that took thought it wrong and that did and does not reflect badly on him.