Henry Nowak…….an absolute tragedy.

MawsRosie

LemonJam

eazybee

I was surprised to hear Starmer comment about the case, and possible review of the sentences of the two juvenile rapists; I thought it may well have been sub judice.
He chooses to comment on some events and not others and his lack of comment on this murder and the victim's treatment by the police is a subject of national interest and also some concern.

"sub judice' literally means "under a judge" in Latin. It means a case is currently under judicial consideration and has not yet been decided by the court.

The Crown Court judge's decision in relation to the rapes of 2 young girls was made public and the rapists were convicted but a custodial sentence was not handed down by the judge. the Crown Court judgement has therefore concluded and is no longer 'sub judice".

That none custodial sentence caused a national outcry last week and one of the girls appeared anonymously with her mother on lK show on Sunday- it was harrowing to listen to about her.

However I understand the lower Crown Court Judge's conviction and direction has been referred to the higher Court of Appeal, to be reviewed by the Attorney General which Starmer said is right to do.

There is no national outcry regarding Nowak's murder conviction as it is not yet known, the mater is sill sub judice. There is national interest in the case but the full facts are not et known regarding any police misconduct handling concerns as . the IOPC investigation has not yet concluded. The Judge's sentence for Digwa is still sub judice in the Crown Court therefore it would be remiss of Starmer to comment on that and remiss to comment on the IOPC investigation until it has concluded. .

Re your last paragraph lemonjam
In fact the case is no longer sub judice. On May 28, 2026, a jury at Southampton Crown Court found the defendant, Vickrum Digwa, guilty of murdering 18-year-old Henry Nowak.Since the trial has concluded with a conviction, the matter is no longer sub judice, which means there are no longer legal restrictions preventing public reporting or discussion of the case.

There has been a guilt finding but the Judge has not yet given direction on sentence. The case up till guilty finding can be reported. However no one can make comment on the sentence because it has not yet been made.

eazybee

^Why should Starmer comment on this particular murder?^

Because the treatment of the murder victim, who was dying, was particularly shocking, and unless there is a spontaneous public outcry little is done apart from apologies and the meaningless' lessons will be learned.'
There is no legal protocol for PM comments just human compassion, which seems to be lacking.
Digwa has been found guilty, sentence not yet passed.

Eazybee if you have any evidence of police misconduct please feel free to pass onto IOPC for their investigation.

I have heard no evidence that Starmer lacks compassion for the tragic murder of this or any of other murdered victims that have been reported in the press this past week, including 2 young children by their mothers. All shocking and all tragic.

The murderer wasn’t allowed to carry the knife he used to stab Henry. He already had the religious one around his neck as many Sikh men do. The blade he used was illegally carried as it had no religious exemption.

The point is that the police restrained a dying man. The victim and not the perpetrator. Why is that so hard to grasp?

ronib

The point is that the police restrained a dying man. The victim and not the perpetrator. Why is that so hard to grasp?

I have confidence the IOPC will be able to grasp the facts of the case and then give their findings….

Then you have more confidence than me…

ronib

The point is that the police restrained a dying man. The victim and not the perpetrator. Why is that so hard to grasp?

You have to wonder…
Even the police have said it was a tragic mistake on their part.

I see several people have said that they arrested the man on the ground.
I'm sure I read that he collapsed after.

Please could someone who said this point me to where it is reported that they arrested and cuffed him after he had collapsed?

I may have got something wrong but feel I'd like to know.

Thank you.

Body camera footage is yet to be released.

Meanwhile, some GNs are happy to promote versions of what they think may have happened.

Kandinsky

*I’m really not sure why this particular case of a random murder should be the cause of outrage*

I’m actually shocked at this casual reply.

Yes casual and callous.

Cossy

Sago

It’s interesting how our Prime Minister and other politicians “took the knee for George Floyd yet nothing from Starmer on the Police’s dreadful handling of this case.

So you are using this awful murder to cast aspirations on other events??

Shane on you!

As you’ll be well aware the George Floyd case in the USA was one of many where white police officials damaged/hurt/killed black people and proved to be a catalyst for many people.

This does not take away from the awfulness of this murder nor the incompetence of the police in this situation and it all needs further investigation.

Floyd was murdered in 2020, Starmer was not PM at that time.

Do you genuinely believe our PM should comment on murders??

Dreadful post. I would never post ‘shame on you’ to another poster, it says everything about you and nothing about Sago.

Cossy, I see that the GN 'Perfect Prefects' are out in force.

Maremia

Cossy, I see that the GN 'Perfect Prefects' are out in force.

I can see they are….but very likely not the ones that you mean.

twaddle

Silvergirl

This is a terrible tragedy for Henry and his family. So very sad. There is only one evil person here and it is not the police. Imagine the confusion when coming on this scene and having the perpetrator shouting lies at them whilst the victim is saying little (owing to his injuries). The stabbing injuries may not have been obvious initially. It can't be easy making sense of it under dark and chaotic conditions. So wrong that the law allows for him to carry a weapon. It needs to be rectified asap.

Every murder is a tragedy for the family of the murdered. I'm a little puzzled about why this one is being highlighted.

You really can’t see why?!
Well allow me to enlighten you then, it’s because it was the police failed to understand at the scene that they were arresting the victim of a gratuitous and possibly racist attack instead of the violent attacker.

That’s surely worth a few warm words in Parliament.

NotSpaghetti

I see several people have said that they arrested the man on the ground.
I'm sure I read that he collapsed after.

Please could someone who said this point me to where it is reported that they arrested and cuffed him after he had collapsed?

I may have got something wrong but feel I'd like to know.

Thank you.

The police watchdog is investigating after a young murder victim was arrested and handcuffed as he lay dying

He was on the ground when arrested. Lots of comment available on Google, the above is from the BBC.

This case was being discussed on SM for days before it hit MSM. Allegedly, Henry told police that he'd been stabbed and the officer said he hadn't. There is footage from Henry's phone as he'd been filming the altercation.

So there's footage from the police and Henry.

So we should eventually see what happened but who knows if we will.

This case is causing so much outrage because the police opted to believe the racist accusation before checking.

This was on the CPS website although apparently generated by AI so I cannot vouch for its authenticity.
The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) defines racist hate crime as any incident perceived by the victim (or anyone else) to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on race. Prosecutors treat such offenses with a zero-tolerance approach and will seek an automatic sentence uplift at court. [1, 2, 3]
Key judgements, definitions, and actions defining the CPS's position include:
•Official Definition: The CPS uses a definition agreed upon with the National Police Chiefs' Council, accepting the victim's perspective even before there is sufficient evidence to prosecute.
This may account for the action of the police, believing Digra to be the victim.
I did not read any report that stated whether Nowak was on the ground or standing when arrested and handcuffed; I assumed he was on the ground as he had been stabbed.

I'm still not sure why this particular murder has been adopted as a "cause celebre" by so many groups on social media. There's no denying it's horrific, but so are all murders.

Oreo

twaddle

Silvergirl

This is a terrible tragedy for Henry and his family. So very sad. There is only one evil person here and it is not the police. Imagine the confusion when coming on this scene and having the perpetrator shouting lies at them whilst the victim is saying little (owing to his injuries). The stabbing injuries may not have been obvious initially. It can't be easy making sense of it under dark and chaotic conditions. So wrong that the law allows for him to carry a weapon. It needs to be rectified asap.

Every murder is a tragedy for the family of the murdered. I'm a little puzzled about why this one is being highlighted.

You really can’t see why?!
Well allow me to enlighten you then, it’s because it was the police failed to understand at the scene that they were arresting the victim of a gratuitous and possibly racist attack instead of the violent attacker.

But you haven't enlightened me. You've repeated the rumours which are spreading like wildfire on social media by groups for their own agenda.

I'm fed up with trial by X (and GN).

I wish people would wait until there is actual evidence.

So ... I'll ask again, why this particular murder and not hundreds of others?

Now we have the Mind Readers in attendance. 😄

FGS, Twaddle. It's not the murder itself—horrific though it obviously is. It's the way the police handled the case that's made it such a 'cause célèbre' in the media and on social media. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

"But you haven't enlightened me. You've repeated the rumours which are spreading like wildfire on social media by groups for their own agenda"

Please enlighten me - what is this agenda that you mentioned?

All murders are horrendous.
This one has the aspect of police error.
It also has the aspect of 'race'.
Which aspect was raised first in the OP?

sundowngirl

FGS, Twaddle. It's not the murder itself—horrific though it obviously is. It's the way the police handled the case that's made it such a 'cause célèbre' in the media and on social media. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

It isn't difficult for me to understand at all.

How does that justify all the millions of words on social media, some of which are disgusting? Many of those words are hysterical lies and racist. Don't people have anything better to do with their time?