Belfast another appalling attack, we need to ask what is driving this.

I need to clarify what I said. On the bbc news thread not watching the news programme.

Casdon

It was on the news first thing MaizieD, I think at the time (I was in the car) it said there were sixteen arrests and a number of police injured.

One of the few times when I didn't go straight to the BBC this morning

Thank you ladies.

It's organised by anonymous paramilitaries who incite low life uneducated young people who have now started to treat it as recreation. This often happens in the run up to July 12 but had started early. My dil is afraid to go to work this morning as she would be a target.

petra

ronib

The Daily Mail reported that in 2001 the victim was very badly injured - set on fire - and he returned to Belfast from Scotland. Drug trafficking with 14 year prison sentences for one man. Odd.

So he’s guilty by association with a drug dealer of actually being a drug dealer.
I hope your never called for jury service

Guilt by association is dangerous assumption and speculation.

Various media outlets have reported on the 2001 incident in Scotland where Stephen Ogilvie was a victim of a violent attack. He was staying with a drug dealer who used the date rape drug on Ogilvie and went on to remove his clothes and set him on fire. The attack was captured on video and his attacker was subsequently jailed for 14 years. The perpetrator's criminal gang was associated with the Ultra Volunteer Force, a loyalist paramilitary force. Olgivie fled back to Ulster fearing for his life.

I have read reports that Olive has Learning Difficulties rendering him vulnerable. Drug gangs often target vulnerable individuals for a variety of nefarious reasons, cuckooing, county lines etc. I am aware of no evidence that Olgivie has any convictions for any drug offences merely that he was a victim of a violent attack by a drug dealer known to be a member of a prolific gang.

Ogilvie typo- sorry

petra no not guilty by association but given the circumstances, I did wonder if there was some revenge motive behind the latest attack. Or was it random?

Yes, as stated upthread, it actually is important to know and understand the 'why'.

It is important to understand the reason why and there may be a possible reprisals link back to the 2001 convictions of that criminal gang - all for the police to investigate.

People with learning disabilities are as lemonjam mentions often targeted by criminals, etc, they are very vulnerable members of our society and are often exploited in a range of truly awful ways.

I agree Galaxy. Sometimes asylum seekers can be vulnerable too.

Yesterday I supported an under age asylum seeker in a police station who was in the wrong place at the wrong time when the police carried out a raid - parents are still in the country of origin. The reasons why that teenager was in the location at the time of the raid and how lured there would sadden most.

How many people and how many times can you ignore people's worries and concerns, it seems no one listens. .

I agree. Those poor people burnt out of their homes. How long is this thuggery going to be tolerated.

It's simply awful Wyllow3 I agree- many are heartily fed up with outside agitators stirring up such violent thuggery.

I don’t think the agitators are all from the outside, what kircubbin2000 said above is definitely at least part of the issue. There is always volatility just under the surface in NI.

It will be interesting to see who is up before the courts and if they are already known to the authorities due to a past record. I’ve been following the court cases for the Henry Nowak rioting, and so many of those prosecuted already have criminal records.

I agree Casdon, but I'm sure Farage and Lowe quickly demanding details of the immigration status of Monday's attacker and Musk retweeting a post by Tommy Robinson "Only by protesting REPEATEDLY and LOUDLY will there be any change!!" has real potential to trigger latent volatility....

I absolutely agree and this needs to stop.

There were riots in Scotland too.
My view is the majority of the rioters are rent-a- thug mob like people and necessarily young people. Probably a good old mx of Yaxley-Lennon worshippers.

Immigrants/people of colour are apparently keeping their kids off school and trying to find a safe place to stay, they are too terrified to even speak to reporters on news programmes. And in general buses and trains are ceasing to run after early evening and businesses are finishing early.
My thoughts are with the innocent people of Belfast.
Apparently the rioters are mainly from Loyalist areas. That is not my guess but stated by Clive Myrie on the BBC News.

It’s appalling. The events leading up to these riots was appalling, but just like the appalling riots in Southampton it’s nothing whatsoever to do with the poor victims or their families.

It’s an excuse to protest about Asylum Seekers, it’s an excuse to cause damage and hurt to people and property.

Shame on them and shame on those provoking and encouraging this.

Cossy

It’s appalling. The events leading up to these riots was appalling, but just like the appalling riots in Southampton it’s nothing whatsoever to do with the poor victims or their families.

It’s an excuse to protest about Asylum Seekers, it’s an excuse to cause damage and hurt to people and property.

Shame on them and shame on those provoking and encouraging this.

I think it’s much much more serious and sinister than that. Robinson holed up in a hotel in Russia with Musk senior. Musk junior paying the piper and interfering with a sovereign state? The State Dept interfering. I wish it were just a few racists running amok.

It’s interesting that people don’t riot, or protest loudly and repeatedly when a white person attacks another white person or when a white person attacks a non-white person.

There were, quite rightly, protests about the murder of Sarah Everard but, in the main, these were relatively peaceful. I don’t recall peoples houses being burnt, missiles hurled or police attacked.

I’m very sad and sorry for all victims murdered in our country by anyone. It doesn’t matter much (to me) that the perpetrator is a non-white.

It matters that people are being murdered needlessly.

Tuliptree

Those provoking (to me) include the likes of Musk, Trump, Vance, Farage and Lowe.

All those in high positions and some funding directly the likes of Yaxley-Lennon to help do their bidding.

It’s very worrying.

Cossy

Tuliptree

Those provoking (to me) include the likes of Musk, Trump, Vance, Farage and Lowe.

All those in high positions and some funding directly the likes of Yaxley-Lennon to help do their bidding.

It’s very worrying.

I think they’re doing more than provoking - I think they’re orchestrating. And where’s Putin in all this? In the orchestra pit ?

Tuliptree

Cossy

It’s appalling. The events leading up to these riots was appalling, but just like the appalling riots in Southampton it’s nothing whatsoever to do with the poor victims or their families.

It’s an excuse to protest about Asylum Seekers, it’s an excuse to cause damage and hurt to people and property.

Shame on them and shame on those provoking and encouraging this.

I think it’s much much more serious and sinister than that. Robinson holed up in a hotel in Russia with Musk senior. Musk junior paying the piper and interfering with a sovereign state? The State Dept interfering. I wish it were just a few racists running amok.

It is very concerning.

Musk junior is blatantly using X to incite rioting.

I wonder how technically difficult it would be to block X, if Musk refuses to delete the inciting posts?