Belfast another appalling attack, we need to ask what is driving this.

All stabbings are abhorrent Chestnut. Nobody would deny that.

EVEOHA2602

According to our neighbour - an NHS psychiatrist - Qat induced psychosis is a contributory factor - 👍☘️

Yes that & blinking cannabis!
How the hell the greens want to legalise this stuff & other drugs is beyond me.
I don’t venture into our town centre as it stinks of weed. So now people are chewing on Qat, god help us!

Chestnut

Marg75

So you have mental health problems because you have seen traumatic things in your life, it's acceptable to attack, kill or maim innocent people on the streets of their own towns and cities?

There seems to be a lot of posts on this thread giving excuses for what has happened. Seriously, is there any excuse for trying to behead a man on the street? I don't care what the reason, it is sickening and this person is dangerous.

It reminds me of the shock and horror we all felt at the murder of Fusilier Lee Rigby on the street in 2013.

Yes Chestnut I thought exactly the same.

That too was tragic.

jane112 Someone else who is saying that if a person has seen terrible things in their own country can be excused on that basis from randomly killing or maiming another person living peacefully and innocently in their country.

Jane112, that situation is extremely concerning. Because it's not in the news it's easy to assume that all is calm.

Chestnut, most right minded people agree with you, no excuses and why some people try to find one is disgusting. I think perhaps jf they were affected opinions might alter,

Allsorts

Chestnut, most right minded people agree with you, no excuses and why some people try to find one is disgusting. I think perhaps jf they were affected opinions might alter,

I agree, I have long thought opinions would alter if personally affected.

Excuses are offered for everything now.
But if we start using the fact that people might have seen appalling things in their own country, as an excuse for their actions here, then isn’t that adding to a list of reasons to not offer people from war torn or violent countries refuge?


On a different focus;

I started reading from the beginning of the thread and having followed Casdon’s link on page 1 (thank you) I really want know, now that 16 year olds have been deemed responsible enough to vote, why their names are protected.

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Where on this thread are the excuses that people are talking about? What I see is some people trying to make sense of what everybody sees as a horrendous act?

Mollygo The Respresentation of the People bill, allowing 16 year olds is not law yet.

Casdon

Where on this thread are the excuses that people are talking about? What I see is some people trying to make sense of what everybody sees as a horrendous act?

There is no sense to it!

EVEOHA2602

Maremia - My reference to ‘culturally accepted’ behaviours was with regard to qat usage and its concomitant affect on behaviour

Where do they get the Qat from? We don’t grow it here!

Jaxjacky

Mollygo The Respresentation of the People bill, allowing 16 year olds is not law yet.

Thanks!

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I think what troubles me is all the division the focus on this one, truly horrifying stabbing attack is getting and the calls for protests. I just read the account in the BBC web page and on the same page is the story of a man who killed his partner by stabbing her 31 times and then setting the house on fire but there seems to be little outcry on social media about it.

Nandalot As terrible as that is, it’s a domestic crime and the perpetrator is extremely unlikely to randomly attack strangers in the street.
You can’t compare the two at all.

Trouble already started, it will be a long night, I fervently hope no one else is hurt, but with men wearing balaclavas already stoning a house, a bus and bins set on fire and traffic being stopped by protestors I think my hope may be in vain.
Elon Musk, of course, is stirring the pot.

Kandinsky

I’m getting worried about going out these days. our country is full of these violent asylum seekers 😡

Is the assailant an asylum seeker? Has that been officially reported?

I’m afraid, from the evidence of Casdon’s earlier posts, you’re just as likely to be attacked by a native Brit.

There has also been no discussion about the court case this week of the two teenagers in Barry who randomly stabbed and killed an Asian man who was taking his mother her shopping Kandinsky, although I posted the link to that too.

Chestnut

petra

EVEOHA2602

According to our neighbour - an NHS psychiatrist - Qat induced psychosis is a contributory factor - 👍☘️

Only this morning I had to avoid the spit from chewed qat on the pavement outside the post office.
It was one of the reasons my daughter moved from Leigh on sea. It was constantly outside her house and on her car.
She knew where it was coming from. She constantly asked the shop keeper where the culprits worked, nothing changed.

So qat must be another substance people chew and spit out.

I heard about paan which covers the streets of north west London apparently. A disgusting filthy mess which is very difficult to remove. I suppose chewing and spitting out all these drugs is something we have to accept because it's cultural and they are recovering from trauma.

These lads were born in the uk. Their parents came her as young children.
If you don’t know Leigh on sea you could see photos and think ^ oh, how lovely^ it’s not. It’s a cesspit of wannabes and z list celebrities.
Plus it’s known as cocaine central. As Oscar Wild said: they know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

The media has a lot to answer for I think, it’s not unreasonable to expect proportionality of reporting about stabbings. That poor woman who was killed at the hands of her abusive partner deserves as much attention as anybody else who dies, the method was the same.

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Casdon

There has also been no discussion about the court case this week of the two teenagers in Barry who randomly stabbed and killed an Asian man who was taking his mother her shopping Kandinsky, although I posted the link to that too.

It doesn’t fit with some people’s agenda Casdon

petra I live very close to Leigh.

It has its problems like many other places.

It still has some of the best restaurants, bars and pubs in the area.

I would much rather go out in Leigh than Westcliff-On-Sea or Southend.