Migrants Hated everywhere??

Asylum seekers seem to be used as a cause of all the problems in our country which is not fair as it's the super wealthy who are causing much of it.
People from here do emigrate to other parts of the world but would do that through legal means I would think.
We do need to reduce the numbers coming in as our infrastructure can't cope but the hatred shown to Asylum seekers is disproportionate. There are many things that need fixing and constantly blaming them takes focus off those who have more power to harm our country

This is all being ramped up by the likes of Farage &Co Itstartedwith his poster of immigrants queuing before Brexit.
This man needs jailed for inciting hatred.. sadly he,s targeting people of low intelligence who believe his sorry tales of immigrants being the root of all their woes…when in fact it’s men in suits in Parliament or in Farage,s case who got voted in but like his other jobs..doesn,t turn up and gets large sums of cash from dubious sources.
This is certainly not the Scotland we know ,we have always fought FOR people not scapegoated them

And that's why we should look at who is behind the Politicians promoting this grievance.
Who are the 'funders'? What is their agenda?

Great points AGAA4 However pretty sure AS arrive the same way as they do here in many other countries.

AS still only make up a very small percentage of our overall population, I believe around 1%.

People like Trump starting wars like Iran, and what’s still going on in Ukraine, Gaza and Afganistan, not to mention many parts of Africa, mean more and more displaced families, they have to live somewhere. Of course not all can come here, and many many don’t. There appears to be some perception among some people that ALL AS head here and it simply isn’t true.

Perhaps if groups like Reform and Restore and the media didn’t keep replicating the same old inaccurate statements people wouldn’t get so stirred up about immigrants in general.

OK, I’ll bite because clearly you are expecting some to disagree.

Firstly, I think “hate” is the wrong word.

Secondly, I have never met a person yet who does not mind at all the people who come here legally, with qualifications to get a good job and work and pay their taxes. They support themselves and we admire their skills and their work ethic. We have welcomed them for decades.

However, many countries are completely fed up now with asylum seekers/illegal immigrants, irregular immigrants (call them what you will) getting into their homelands with no means of supporting themselves and becoming a drain on their own country.

You mention Brits who move to other countries. Entirely different because they support themselves and don’t cost their host countries anything.

I have a friend from Tanzania who lives here, West Indian friend since I was 17, German mother in law (now deceased), French, Belgian, Czech Republic, Spanish friends and that’s just off the top of my head as I’m dashing out. All here legally and working and paying taxes.

Primrose53

I totally agree and well done for 'putting your head above the parapet'

I think that the Faridge followers latch on to his message because they have to have someone to blame for their success o(or lack of it in life).They are easy targets and he has fed them his lies to stop them from investigating who it is exactly that is causing their problems.

Some of those targeted in Belfast were from Ukraine, others were NHS workers. Unthinking prejudice against “ foreigners” is rife. Yet look at our history, invaded by Vikings, Romans, the Normans, to name a few, so we are almost all of mixed origin.

‘Expats’ are not usually immigrants as such* though - they have often moved to the country for a specific job. Dh was an ‘expat’ for around 15 years, with a bit later me, and even later dds tagging along. But it was never going to be a permanent move.
At the time (70s/80s) there were simply not nearly enough qualified locals to carry out the major works the country needed - dh and his ilk were certainly not taking jobs from the locals.

As for those who emigrate from the U.K. to Canada or Australia, nobody can just ‘go’ - they will have to be offering skills that are wanted or needed before they will be accepted.

A very different matter from asylum seekers arriving in small boats, who will be dependent on the taxpayer. (Yes, I know many of them would like to work if they were allowed to.)

*Ok, a slight exception for those who retire to e.g. Spain and call themselves expats, even if they probably are.

We are of mixed origin all of us but how many of the farage followers will bother to check that out. They need someone to blame and immigration is an easy target especially as they are drip fed lies by Farage, Robinson et al.

The families forced to flee from their burning homes in Belfast, included Care Workers. People who have settled, doing essential work, paying their taxes.
It made no difference to those racist thugs on the rampage.
Sorry Primrose, while I respect your perspective, what was seen in Belfast was hate.

Hate is reflected all over the Country and by all classes so will be used by right-wing Parties at the next election. Musk is now a trillionaire so guess where the heavy funding will come from.
Through SM young white men will be stirred up, The future of many in this Country is not rosy and if I was in that category and had the means, I would leave.
All echoing Germany in the 30's.

It's the people traffickers that I hate, not the people who are being trafficked. The only way to stop people risking their lives by arriving by small boat is to get the traffickers.

Hate only comes from a small minority both here and in NI and probably any other country you can think of.

What a horrible heading. As a migrant I experienced no hatred or unpleasantness whatsoever and neither did any of my many friends from many different countries, Caucasians and non Caucasians. If you look for trouble no doubt it is there. It is all about attitude and willingness to fit in. When in Rome do as the Romans do.If you don’t, bad luck ,you might find life a lot more difficult.

Vintagewhine

It's the people traffickers that I hate, not the people who are being trafficked. The only way to stop people risking their lives by arriving by small boat is to get the traffickers.

That’s an extremely good and well raised point.

I actually think human traffickers are the lowest of the low and I truly despise them.

I do understand mr/mrs Averages fears and anxieties around AS, especially single males and particularly in the light of some truly horrific crimes.

What I cannot even begin to understand is the media and those who completely demonise and politicalise both AS and ordinary/regular migrants.

I ... wish we could find a solution ...

I take the approach that everyone has to start somewhere. Even if someone has been born and raised in the UK, they can rarely be self-supporting until they leave full-time education and start to work and develop transferable skills. Once they have a wage they can look for somewhere to live independently and so on. We have all done this at some point in our lives whether at age 15, 16, 18 or 21. I suspect when most of us were starting out we didn’t get a leg up from parents. We started from scratch.

Your opening post mentions migrants in general but most anger and opposition is aimed at asylum seekers.

Reform repeated tell us that asylum seekers are “men of fighting age” in which case they are also men of working age … so let them work.

I genuinely think that most people do want to work, want to be a useful part of society. Even while their asylum applications are being processed they could work under supervision. It would need changes in the law but it could be done.

As the hotel system is wound down and more asylum seekers are accommodated in larger centres I don’t see that it would be overly difficult to organise. Prisoners work and study for vocational qualifications under supervision. Why not asylum seekers?

Demonstrating that you are willing to work and study could be part of the consideration in whether to give someone indefinite leave to remain.

We have serious skills shortage in the UK particular in construction. The UK construction industry is facing a severe skills shortage, with over 140,000 job vacancies stalling essential housing and infrastructure projects. Despite skilled trades - such as bricklaying, plumbing, and roofing - comprising 10% of England’s workforce, demand far exceeds supply. By 2035, over one-third of construction workers will retire, worsening the crisis. This shortfall puts the UK government’s ambitious 1.3 million new homes target at serious risk.

www.placesforpeople.co.uk/pfp-thrive/insights-tools/the-uk-construction-skills-shortage/

It doesn’t need a lot of joined up thinking to see how that shortage could be filled.

nanna8

What a horrible heading. As a migrant I experienced no hatred or unpleasantness whatsoever and neither did any of my many friends from many different countries, Caucasians and non Caucasians. If you look for trouble no doubt it is there. It is all about attitude and willingness to fit in. When in Rome do as the Romans do.If you don’t, bad luck ,you might find life a lot more difficult.

I’m sorry you don’t like the heading Nanna8. It was a question and sadly, here in the UK, we have an appalling situation with both a small percentage of AS committing shockingly awful violent crimes and a wave of individuals stirring up feeling of hate towards anyone who is “different” to themselves, especially those with darker skin.

In your chosen home, a little bit like the USA, historically your country hasn’t a great record of “good and fair” treatment towards your original native citizens.

Very sensible post Graphite

And of course Nanna8 no aborigine was damaged at all when the Brits moved en masse to Australia 🙄

Graphite

Great post and I entirely agree.

I’m pretty sure there’s lots of both paid and unpaid work these AS could you, whilst waiting for their claims to be processed.

Btw, many sources show that many of these men do have families still “at home” and one the reasons they come alone is simply that their entire journey is pretty arduous and dangerous. There is no simple way, from many countries, to actually gain entry from countries we might consider dangerous. There’s no “Asylum” visa. Some men with families come here in the hope that if asylum is granted then they can apply for their family to join them. This doesn’t apply to them all of course.

I do not hate migrants.

Our NHS, hospitality sector and research labs would be unsustainable without legal migrants.

I do have a problem with the 1,000’s of young men arriving here by illegal means.

I do have a problem with the people traffickers who assist their journeys, and the criminal gangs who ship young women (and men sometimes) here to work in the sex and drug industry. They are slaves!

I do have a problem with the Vape & Candy Shops , Barbers and Nail Bars who are nothing more than money laundering facilities for foreign OCG’s. Fortunately these are now being cracked down, and raided by Customs.

I do have a problem when some of these young men do not respect our laws and our women and girls.

I do have a problem with the home office and the length of time it takes to process asylum claims and return them to whence they came when their claims are rejected.

Graphite there are 1,000’s of British young people who cannot get into construction, plumbing or electrical sectors.

Maybe this government can hasten the promised apprenticeship process…

Are we talking current or historical here? There is difference . Aboriginal people these days are given many advantages, mainly to make up for past ill treatment and good for them. Where we live there are very, very few Aboriginal people or people of Aboriginal descent. Less than 0.1 % so we don’t often see these issues. I am reporting what I know. I don’t like the way the British treated the Irish, by the way. Shocking . I have friends who had ancestors that came here to escape the famines and starvation and the horrible people in charge. They still meet annually.