Hundreds of illegal migrants to be put in existing military barracks

Europe is seeing more and more migrants/asylum seekers reaching its shores

Indeed, France discusses this issue and how it is affecting THEIR country almost every day on tv.

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CatsWhiskas

sundowngirl

LemonJam

sundowngirl

I agree that using ex military barracks being used, but these immigrants should not be allowed to roam freely in the neighbourhood.

Many posters have clarified this before- but here we go again:

Asylum seekers are not automatically classified as "immigrants" legal or otherwise in the UK. Seeking asylum is a legal right and entering a country without prior permission to claim asylum is a recognised process under the 1951 Refugee Convention. The UK has very few authorised routes however and the person has to be in the UK physicallyuto claim asylum- a bit of a catch 22- hence small boat crossings.

An illegal immigrant refers to someone residing in the country without legal right to be here or pending applications such as visa overstayers or those who bypass border controls entry (like on the back of lorries) without declaring themselves to the authorities. The barracks are for asylum seekers who have made an application not illegal immigrants.

You always post this as justification, but nevertheless they arrived illegally - but let's not split hairs - do you think they should be allowed to roam around? unchecked???

Even if they did arrive illegally (and that's a moot point), they are not illegal immigrants, if they are asylum seekers. It's not splitting hairs. It's impossible for asylum seekers to have illegal status. There is absolutely nothing illegal about applying for asylum.

Facts are facts it's for the government to justify things not me.

An asylum seeker is legal by definition and must be on UK soil to claim asylum.

The UK makes its asylum seeking application process clear: asylum seekers must make themselves known to Border Force at Point of Entry airport, sea port or. train station to claim asylum.

Coming via a small boat is doing exactly as instructed.

However the UK has deemed a small boat crossing an unauthorised route but has no authorised routes.

As there is no visa route to claim asylum in the UK and because asylum seekers must be on UK soil hence small boat crossings.

Exception: The UK does have a Ukraine Visa scheme bespoke visa route for Ukrainian nationals if they have family here- evidently does not match the needs of the majority of asylum seekers.

As asylum seekers are legal they are housed in barracks ( in this scheme) whilst their application is processed. What would be the legal basis to imprison an asylum seeker and restrict their freedom of movement during the AS application process?

I'm in total agreement GrannyGravy13.

There is nothing unreasonable about being concerned regarding, undocumented, unvetted young men with different cultural norms arriving in great numbers and being placed in suburbs.
Using barracks is an option but to be honest, what would be more effective would be to build large, modern detention centres and to hire an army of clerks, admin staff and specialist lawyers to see to the processing, in the shortest possible time, of those who arrive illegally in the UK.

There seems to be no plan, no time frame and no urgency to resolve the problem of these young men being moved from place to place, given the freedom to hang around in the streets, town centres, or vanish into the ether.
It's worrying. One has to allude to growing crime and violence, but my anger lies with those who are letting the problems run and run.
There seems to be no solution to a growing concern or no plan for the future.
None of us know when the latest cohort of young men will be placed up the road from where we live. There are certainly no signs of integration or a cohesive plan to assure communities that they are safe .

These matters just haven't been dealt with. People are rightly concerned. The government's concern regards accomodation for these young men, and nothing more.
There's no end in sight, no plan and that sort of uncertainty in any sphere is likely to have communities asking questions, fearing how these accommodation 'solutions ' in barracks or HMOs might pan out and/or affect them.

For too long the terms racist or xenophobic have been bandied around, but that will no longer wash. Valid concerns are being voiced, but not heard.

GrannyGravy13

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Oui, devenir humble en dépit de sentiments contradictoires.

End of French lesson!

MartavTaurus

GrannyGravy13

MartavTaurus ravaler son orgueil 🤷‍♀️

Oui, devenir humble en dépit de sentiments contradictoires.

End of French lesson!

One of our Aussie contingent is attending residential French school in Antibes this week, they are well cooked 🥵🥵🥵

Is it about swallowing one's pride?

Now I'm confused again!

Gracey 👏👏👏👏👏 - brilliantly put

Many on here seem totally unconcerned

NotSpaghetti

Is it about swallowing one's pride?

Now I'm confused again!

Yes, sort of, like eat humble pie - though that latter might be a tarte or a croissant?! 🥐
To make a humble apology basically.

GG13,
BBC verify says 'in the years before the BREXIT vote the UK returned more people than it received.
After the 2016 referendum, arrivals, started to outpace returns.'

That's alright Marty. I'm amazed we can even text in this heat 😜

This is what Google comes up with

I can understand concern but there is a plan and there are vetting processes so incorrect to say otherwise.

The trouble is if asylum seekers must be on UK soil to claim asylum they have to already be in this country before any screening takes place thus risks are not known or assessed before they get here. Catch 22 yet again.

If asylum seekers come across in small boats they necessarily pay small boat traffickers etc to get here, their passports and documents can be seized as collateral by the traffickers at any stage en route or lost at sea etc.

All those who arrive and make themselves known to Border force are in fact all screened see Home Office Asylum Screening and Routing Guidelines there is therefore a plan.

Upon arrival they are finger printed, biometrics recorded and cross checked against UK Police, immigration, security and international law enforcement databases to identify known criminals or previous asylum applications made under a different name.

Analysis of digital devices verifies travel routes, establish identities etc. If young men presenting as under 18 scientific and age assessments are carried out. Etc etc see all detail in guidelines...

If it's the timescales and urgency of the vetting process that is of concern this is a work in progress. The LP did listen to this public concern as it came to office after the last GE and has reduced the asylum back log it inherited from the C Party.

The C party had paused asylum applications and the LP stopped this pause and surged decision making capacity simplified guidance and overhauled the fast track appeals system to accelerate removals.

For breakdown of all the LP has done in past 2 years to compare to previous C party performance in relation to asylum seekers see Migration Observatory website. Just saying....

David49 The Home Office has a voluntary return programme in place for economic asylum seekers. Once it is established that they are purely economic, they can appeal (we all have a right to appeal) If their appeal fails they are sent back to their homeland. Many economic asylum seekers have been returned through this programme.

Thanks LemonJam always better to get facts than opinions and wild ideas.

Re the OP, why do we always have the reference to young men?

In many of the earliest waves of European immigration the immigrants were disproportionately young men. If you allow people's homes to become unsafe, either through war, famine or exploitation, they will look for somewhere else for themselves and their families and the first to go have to be those with the strength to work hard, sustain themselves on long journeys and, if necessary, defend themselves.

This pattern isn't unique but understanding it could help us find answers.

sundowngirl

LemonJam

sundowngirl

I agree that using ex military barracks being used, but these immigrants should not be allowed to roam freely in the neighbourhood.

Many posters have clarified this before- but here we go again:

Asylum seekers are not automatically classified as "immigrants" legal or otherwise in the UK. Seeking asylum is a legal right and entering a country without prior permission to claim asylum is a recognised process under the 1951 Refugee Convention. The UK has very few authorised routes however and the person has to be in the UK physicallyuto claim asylum- a bit of a catch 22- hence small boat crossings.

An illegal immigrant refers to someone residing in the country without legal right to be here or pending applications such as visa overstayers or those who bypass border controls entry (like on the back of lorries) without declaring themselves to the authorities. The barracks are for asylum seekers who have made an application not illegal immigrants.

You always post this as justification, but nevertheless they arrived illegally - but let's not split hairs - do you think they should be allowed to roam around? unchecked???

You say they ‘arrived illegally’, which is not strictly true. Arriving in a small boat is classified as an ‘irregular method of entry’, and, as such, means the people are entitled to apply for asylum. They do this, and then must wait until their claims are processed ( and it is estimated that around 75% of claims will be successful).
I find it strange that the phrase ‘illegal immigrants’ is now widely used to describe asylum seekers.
Saying they ‘roam around unchecked’ sounds as if you are inferring that these people are a danger to society. Are you basing this on any verifiable statistics, or maybe just on media reports ( like Sky calling them illegal immigrants)?

NotSpaghetti

Oh David49!!!

their legal representatives should also be resident in the camps.
🙄

Their gravy train of Legal aid for multiple appeals would be much quicker if the lawyers were resident in the camps for the duration of the process. They employ every device to extend the stay.

If I or you arrived in a foreign country without a visa we would be locked up and go straight back home with no appeal.

David49- see higher post- there is no UK asylum seeker visa route for asylum seekers to take. They are arriving as instructed at our Borders and approaching Border Force, as instructed to claim asylum. They have a legal right to claim asylum.

Some people David49 think that most asylum seekers come for economic benefits or social welfare. But most come to seek legal right for safety. It's sad there are many misconceptions. So aren't we lucky we don't need to flee this country in fear for our safety. After all we are all accidents of birth aren't we. Just think of the diabolic injustice in certain parts of the world.

Plevey08

Some people David49 think that most asylum seekers come for economic benefits or social welfare. But most come to seek legal right for safety. It's sad there are many misconceptions. So aren't we lucky we don't need to flee this country in fear for our safety. After all we are all accidents of birth aren't we. Just think of the diabolic injustice in certain parts of the world.

So you are saying the everyone from a poor country who is disadvantaged ushould come to the UK, you are in favour of leveling down our lifestyle to theirs

I have friends in Africa that are finding food difficult to find now but they have children so cant travel, it's a "safe" country so would be sent back anyway as economic migrants, so you would allow them into the UK.

NotSpaghetti

Is it about swallowing one's pride?

Now I'm confused again!

I meant I wondered why anyone was eating it?
🤔
I know the phrase.

Now my brain has moved on to humble pie!

Countries that are deemed unsafe to return migrants include Turkey, India and Jamaica, you might understand Afghanistan being unsafe so may be surprised learn that some have been granted Asylum, then returned home for a holiday.

It's a farce we are all being taken for fools.

Half-baked humble pie me thinks 😜