Govt announces Ukrainian style scheme to bring thousands more migrants to UK

greyfur

What is a person with mental health please?

So wyllow3 what are you trying to say? That I am putting people down who have mental health?

Would you not be better to answer that question, because only you know exactly what you mean in a post?
Anything else is a guess.

greyfur

What is a person with mental health please?

A person that can’t cope with the pressures & stresses of day to day living.
Can be from mild depression to a full blown, psychological breakdown.
But I think you already know that.

Maremia

Would you not be better to answer that question, because only you know exactly what you mean in a post?
Anything else is a guess.

Who’s that question ment for maremia?

It's for you.

If it’s meant for me, I have already answered Greyfur’s question regarding what is ‘mental health’ she doesn’t seem to know, or is just being clever!

Maremia

It's for you.

I have a name

No MT62

Sigh. You really dont listen, do you? I have just told you that in my working life I worked in the Mental Heath sector. Its not correct or even makes any sense to say "A person has Mental Health"

You have described some people above who have Mental Heath problems. Having "Mental Health" per se is utterly meaningless.

a good AI quote on this

"Saying 'I have mental health' can accidentally sound like "I have good mental health," which is why clinicians and mental health advocates often recommend using more precise terms like "mental ill-health," "mental illness," or naming the specific condition (like anxiety or depression) if the person feels comfortable.

It's actually, in the context we are talking about, far better to be specific A person with relatively mild depression will not drive a van into people. a person with severe depression is more likely to self harm or take their own life.

Maremia

As I said upthread, there are more ways of helping asylum seekers than offering to have them in your home.
You are not required to be an actual host.
To suggest that is the only way to do it is indeed strange.
Church organisations provide assistance and support.
If you belong to a Christian organisation you will be aware of and perhaps have supported such programmes.
Other religions have their versions of charity.
People with no belief have non denominational organisation they may wish to support.
Lots of ways to help.

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Wyllow3

No MT62

Sigh. You really dont listen, do you? I have just told you that in my working life I worked in the Mental Heath sector. Its not correct or even makes any sense to say "A person has Mental Health"

You have described some people above who have Mental Heath problems. Having "Mental Health" per se is utterly meaningless.

a good AI quote on this

"Saying 'I have mental health' can accidentally sound like "I have good mental health," which is why clinicians and mental health advocates often recommend using more precise terms like "mental ill-health," "mental illness," or naming the specific condition (like anxiety or depression) if the person feels comfortable.

It's actually, in the context we are talking about, far better to be specific A person with relatively mild depression will not drive a van into people. a person with severe depression is more likely to self harm or take their own life.

Please don’t be patronising wyllow3. I have explained to grey fur what MH is as she doesn’t seem to know.
I too worked in MH for twenty years.
I also looked after my sister, who after suffering ‘postpartum depression’, after an extremely tough birth, later treated with SSRIs, went on to have full blown mania.
Later diagnosed with bipolar disorder.
We as a family struggled with the ups & downs.
Later on she went on to take her own life. I myself have struggled to come to terms with that, resulting in me suffering depression.
So please keep your tuts & sighs to yourself.
I was merely saying MH as a general term.

I do regret coming across so strongly MT62, since I too in my personal life have had family suicides and coped with an Ex whose serious condition led him to abuse me over some years, and I am as well as a trained psychotherapist and worked in the field:
I too am a "customer" as was my sis and friends around me.

but, M62

the context was what you said a page back

as in

"Well that’s just it Catswhiskas, we have enough vile, creatures of our own in this country without bringing in even more vile, sexual predators, a lot with metal health"

You probably therefore know more than most the dangers of using this label to generalise and link "Mental Health" with "sexual predators" with no other explanation.

But its also confusing since the term "Mental Health" doesn't even mean "Mental illness"

never mind the essential distinguishing between what has happened to your family and to you and to those with a serious psychotic or very serious personality disorder condition that may lead to acting out sexuality inappropriately or to act violently.
We know for example that far more people with psychosis take their own life than attack others.

Personally I am happy that genuine refugees have always had, when needful, support for the most appalling traumas, from us as UK hosts. Indeed, I know of one incredible nurse in the sector who witnessed, going back, the whole of her family killed in front of her, now working for the NHS.

but I wanted to move us back to general issues because I was so struck by the lovely walk at 7pm ish in my local park, which is always multi cultural and at the weekends lots of families come and have family picnics and I always look to see how the stereotypes of our incoming citizens match the reality.

The 14 year old girl in black, a headscarf, kicking a football around, very skilled. Other girls on the footie pitch with brothers or cricketMost little girls, no headscarf, running and giggling up trees and over the play sessions. A warm chat with a young woman pushing this gorgeous newborn in a pushchair.

A couple of girls in late teens actually untraditional dress giggling away and I overheard the conversation, which resembled that of any late teens we might here

'OMG!!!! He didnt say that! Did he!!! (giggle giggle). Not a single family where women trailed behind husbands (unless the were up for a natter with family or friends. Women only boating in the swan cycles in the lake, or with elderly Dad in the back.

What actually struck me was how cohesive some of the larger families were, the support systems, the tendency to live locally and maintain structures to benefit disability and aging.

greyfur

What is a person with mental health please?

My understanding is that a person with mental health is simply someone who experiences emotional, psychological and social well being. Because everyone has mental health just like everyone has physical health.

Every person feels, acts and handles everyday stressors and relationships.

Physical health can ebb and flow and deteriorate in the face of adverse physical bodily changes. Causes of change are many and some examples- famine, floods, war, infection, dementia, trauma, accident, surgery, cancer, enduring poor nutrition, abuse of alcohol and none prescribed medications, poverty, lack of education, disability, smoking, long term stress, ethnicity, poor nutrition, racism, anti immigrant hate, poor health and maternal care, lack of access to affordable and available healthcare, ability to read and write, poor dental care etc etc and they all * adversely impact on Physical Health* The more the number of causative factors the higher the impact. Physical Health status at any time can be measured as stable, unstable, improving, deteriorating or in crisis at any stage in life. Symptoms of health impact can be mild, moderate, high or severe and even life threatening.

Mental health can ebb and flow in a similar way and deteriorate in the face of adverse life circumstances. Causes are many and some examples, accident, bereavement, loss of a job, homelessness, lack of education, domestic abuse, rape, exploitation, discrimination of any kind, relationship, long term stress, social isolation, bullying, debt, harassment, prejudice, PTSD, living in a war zone, poverty and enduring, enduring pain, rape, coercion, slave trafficking in fact any adverse life circumstance can adversely impact on MH. The more the number of causative factors the higher the impact. Mental Health status at any time can be measured as stable, unstable, improving, deteriorating or in crisis at any stage in life. Symptoms of health impact can be mild, moderate, high or severe and even life threatening. Lack of empathy, support, tolerance, understanding and access to affordable, accessible Mental Health care etc can undermine MH.

Physical and Mental Health are intertwined and resilience can be tested when there are repeated and multiple causative or predisposing factors successively for most people.

A person who is tolerant, empathic, is none judgmental and supports the principle that everyone has human rights and is of equal value will be mindful of Physical and Mental health risk factors and how it impacts people around them at all stages in life.

Poor health care and poor mental health care has serious, negative, political and economic impacts on society, a country and the world as a whole

Asylum seekers are likely to have had many Physical health and Mental health stressors in their home country over a period, in their asylum journey and on arrival in the country where they are seeking sanctuary.

Governments of countries where asylum seekers/refugees travel to decide, on behalf of their electorate, how humane and compassionate they plan to be towards asylum seekers and refugees and puts in place policies and schemes of support accordingly.

Wylloow3- I enjoyed reading your 11.02 post.

A society that is cohesive, compassionate to multi cultures etc and tolerant and has free at point of to healthcare ( NHS not perfect I know) I believe is likely to be a healthier and happier society.

Just a beautiful afternoon in that park Wyllow. 🌳 🌳

Great post LemonJam

Wyllow3

I do regret coming across so strongly MT62, since I too in my personal life have had family suicides and coped with an Ex whose serious condition led him to abuse me over some years, and I am as well as a trained psychotherapist and worked in the field:
I too am a "customer" as was my sis and friends around me.

but, M62

the context was what you said a page back

as in

"Well that’s just it Catswhiskas, we have enough vile, creatures of our own in this country without bringing in even more vile, sexual predators, a lot with metal health"

You probably therefore know more than most the dangers of using this label to generalise and link "Mental Health" with "sexual predators" with no other explanation.

But its also confusing since the term "Mental Health" doesn't even mean "Mental illness"

never mind the essential distinguishing between what has happened to your family and to you and to those with a serious psychotic or very serious personality disorder condition that may lead to acting out sexuality inappropriately or to act violently.
We know for example that far more people with psychosis take their own life than attack others.

I am sorry too Wyllow3. It’s been a traumatic time these last few years.
I should have explained things more clearly, but most people refer to psychiatric problems has just plain ‘mental health’.

The vile people I refer to are these idiots who for example, won’t let an elderly lady use the hand rail on an escalator, (mentioned on another thread) or just larkers, that have consequences on other peoples lives, like the bloke who pushed a woman nearly head first under the wheels of a bus.

What I do know is that some people who have certain psychiatric disorders, can act inappropriately for some reason or other.
Yes & a lot do go on to take their own lives, whether that’s taking others with them which is probably very rare.

eazybee

I look forward to hearing of the experiences of people who are constantly telling us how to behave towards migrants, and who obviously will be first on the list to offer residence in their own homes.

The measure of success of the proposed scheme if implemented will not specifically be how many Gransnet posters put themselves forward to offer residence in their own homes.

Generally Gransnet posters may be of an older demographic, may be more risk averse as a result, may have health issues, may be on an NHS waiting list for surgery, more likely to live alone, more likely not be working, so more likely have reduced income so may not be able to afford the additional costs to their household by taking a refugee into their home. Many Granset posters may offer support for refugees, in a different wait via local volunteer activity- helping them speak English, cookery lessons for typical English dishes etc to demonstrate active support for refugees. One scheme is not exclusive of other schemes.

The measure of whether a Gransnet views this scheme as positive is not measured by their willingness to be first on the list to offer.residence in their own homes and be judged poorly if they did not do so. Neither does any Granset poster need to justify their choice on this matter.

The Government, society and individuals choose how they behave towards asylum seekers and refugees. There is a continuum from tolerance, compassion, empathy and active support and voting for a government at a GE that wishes to meet the Uk's legal obligations as set out in the 1951 Human Convention. The opposite end of the spectrum features hatred, antipathy a 'get them all out and/or stopping them coming in the first place' rhetoric and voting for a party at the next GE that is supportive of that rhetoric and a variety of views in between the 2 ends of the continuum. We get policy in line with what we vote for and currently the LP is in government.

Good post LemonJam.

Thank you M62. 🫶

Transparency- I've done the English speaking and cooking lessons 1 to 1 as a local volunteer- and food donations. Willing to continue if local request in same vein.

I am on an NHS waiting list for surgery, plus awaiting CT results of symptoms whilst waiting so not the best time for me to offer residence.

I only have one bed in my house, which I'm not going to share with anybody.

MT62

Wyllow3

I do regret coming across so strongly MT62, since I too in my personal life have had family suicides and coped with an Ex whose serious condition led him to abuse me over some years, and I am as well as a trained psychotherapist and worked in the field:
I too am a "customer" as was my sis and friends around me.

but, M62

the context was what you said a page back

as in

"Well that’s just it Catswhiskas, we have enough vile, creatures of our own in this country without bringing in even more vile, sexual predators, a lot with metal health"

You probably therefore know more than most the dangers of using this label to generalise and link "Mental Health" with "sexual predators" with no other explanation.

But its also confusing since the term "Mental Health" doesn't even mean "Mental illness"

never mind the essential distinguishing between what has happened to your family and to you and to those with a serious psychotic or very serious personality disorder condition that may lead to acting out sexuality inappropriately or to act violently.
We know for example that far more people with psychosis take their own life than attack others.

I am sorry too Wyllow3. It’s been a traumatic time these last few years.
I should have explained things more clearly, but most people refer to psychiatric problems has just plain ‘mental health’.

The vile people I refer to are these idiots who for example, won’t let an elderly lady use the hand rail on an escalator, (mentioned on another thread) or just larkers, that have consequences on other peoples lives, like the bloke who pushed a woman nearly head first under the wheels of a bus.

What I do know is that some people who have certain psychiatric disorders, can act inappropriately for some reason or other.
Yes & a lot do go on to take their own lives, whether that’s taking others with them which is probably very rare.

Two people very close to me work in the mental health field. Neither of them would refer to mental ill health as just "mental health".

"Time our own homeless, veterans & people with mental health came first."

That's everyone then. We all have "mental health" and if you are a reasonable and reasoning human being, all homeless people, veterans and those with mental health issues (which I guess is what you intended to say), is one of "our own".

DaisyAnneReturns

"Time our own homeless, veterans & people with mental health came first."

That's everyone then. We all have "mental health" and if you are a reasonable and reasoning human being, all homeless people, veterans and those with mental health issues (which I guess is what you intended to say), is one of "our own".

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