Govt announces Ukrainian style scheme to bring thousands more migrants to UK

Primrose - your memory is not correct. It was burglars who broke in and the vicar wasn’t murdered but apart from that, spot on

Tuliptree

bookwormbabe

What about homeless veterans? Is there a scheme for that?

Are you volunteering to take a homeless veteran in?

There is no need to, there is a great deal of support, and housing prioritisation is afforded to British veterans already. AI Summary:

There are several schemes and dedicated pathways specifically designed to help homeless veterans or those at risk of homelessness in the UK.The most notable support services and schemes include:

Op FORTITUDE: This is the government-backed, centralised referral pathway in the UK specifically for veterans facing homelessness . Run with funding from the Armed Forces Covenant Fund, it acts as a single point of contact to help ex-service personnel find suitable housing or maintain their current home.

Veterans' Nomination Scheme (VNS): Run by the charity STOLL, this scheme helps match veterans with suitable social housing across England . It primarily works with single people and couples without children who may otherwise struggle to secure housing through standard council registers .

Charity Support & Housing: Many Armed Forces charities offer direct emergency and supported housing. Notable organisations include Alabaré , Help 4 Homeless Veterans , and SSAFA .

Priority Access to Social Housing: The government provides strict guidance ensuring local authorities exempt veterans from local connection tests and give them additional preference on social housing allocation lists.You can access these services or read more about how to apply using the following resources:

Government Advice: Check the GOV.UK Guidance on Veterans' Homelessness Support for direct contact details and online referrals.
Charity Pathways: Learn more about emergency and supported veteran housing options through Blesma's Guide to Homeless Veterans UK.Specialist
Providers: Explore dedicated temporary and long-term accommodation options on the Help 4 Homeless Veterans platform.

Well that’s just it Catswhiskas, we have enough vile, creatures of our own in this country without bringing in even more vile, sexual predators, a lot with metal health.
(not saying that they are all like that) but our prisons are full to capacity as it.
Time our own homeless, veterans & people with mental health came first. Shocking how they are overlooked & don’t say they aren’t because they are.

You know what’s happened to the weather don’t you … it’s all these immigrants coming over here, bringing their weather with ‘em.

They’ve sneaked the sun past border control, in their rubber boats.

I want my country back … I want shit British summer weather again!

😜😜😜

AGAA4

olderthanidlike don't put words into my mouth and Primrose isn't right. People have been and are taking in immigrants. Some of the posters on here have done so.
How do you suggest we deal with immigration?

Send the illegal , criminal and those who came on the boats straight back. That would then leave space for the ones who come genuinely and legally. I'm a mother of women and a grandmother of girls. My daughter had an illegal, homeless drug addict one masturbate in front of her and he got his ' stuff' on her but the police didn't have a clue who he was. ( and yes he was definitely an illegal). All she was doing was going to work. There's so many there's no way of knowing who's here or who isn't and what they've done before coming here. Our laws aren't adequate for dealing with them we've got enough of our own home grown criminals we don't need more. Also once they're here we can't get them deported when they break the law. We need people who will help and build society not tear it down. And it's galling to be called a racist and fascist if we dare speak out. Deal and deport those criminal ones already here before importing more.

You may be right LizzieDrip these people aren't trying to leave war, famine and dreadful poverty behind, they are trying to leave the burning sun behind but it's followed them.

Yep, foxie. And now we’re stuck with it☀️

I knew it was the immigrants’ fault!

foxie48

You may be right LizzieDrip these people aren't trying to leave war, famine and dreadful poverty behind, they are trying to leave the burning sun behind but it's followed them.

Eyeroll

LizzieDrip

Yep, foxie. And now we’re stuck with it☀️

I knew it was the immigrants’ fault!

Tut.

I thought it was Brexit Lizzie?

Sago

foxie48

I will spell it out to you then.

The amount of crimes committed by immigrants legal or illegal seems to be disproportionate.

The Ministry for Justice conveniently does not record the ethnicity of perpetrators only the ethnicity of victims.

I have written to my MP asking why this is the case, despite a nudge I have not received a response.

Sago- you are factually incorrect.

Everyone arrested and brought into police custody has a custody sheet. I can assure you ethnicity is recorded for every single person. I see them frequently. Not sure where you are getting your facts from.....

Time our own homeless, veterans & people with mental health came first. Shocking how they are overlooked & don’t say they aren’t because they are.

They are not victim enough any more.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

My point about the British born Somalian male who drove into 3 people in London yesterday demonstrates (to me) the mindset of some migrants who, not born here, wish us harm - even when welcomed. It worries me how vulnerable any of us could be. Wrong place, wrong time.

A person who has a criminal mindset has a criminal mindset. Every country in the world has criminals including plenty of British born and bred.

Just on Friday in Manchester- 13 men were charged with abusing a woman drugged by her husband- reporting restrictions were lifted and their names, identities, jobs and photos available to view- predominantly white British.

What has the British born Somali male you mention got to do with the proposed refugee scheme being pu before parliament next week?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg0yekk2vko

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze0xr9g5lno

Crashes involving pedestrians happen frequently in London, sometimes deliberately, sometimes not. Two recent examples attached. Police have said they do not believe yesterday’s crash was terrorism related. Why not wait to find out exactly what happened before judging?

Sago

greyfur

foxie48

Sago the question I asked which you haven't answered was,
"if currently the ethnicity of criminals isn't recorded, what makes you think immigration is relevant? "
Actually the Ministry of Justice does collect information on the ethnicity of prisoners but it does not record immigration status. There isn't any evidence to suggest that immigrants, "illegal" or otherwise commit more crimes than British nationals but perhaps when they are convicted of a crime it is possible that this is more widely reported in the media? If you find anything that provides evidence that "immigrants" commit more crimes, if you attach a link, I will, of course, read it.

I suppose if you believe something, it's easy enough to find evidence to back up your thoughts.

While the MoJ does collect this data, tracking ethnicity is not mandatory. As a result, the statistics face several notable gaps:Missing Ethnicity Records: Approximately 33% to 36% of defendants' ethnicities are listed as "unknown" at the Crown Court and magistrates' courts. This frequently occurs in less serious offences handled via the Single Justice Procedure.Immigration and Status: The Ministry of Justice does not routinely publish comprehensive breakdowns of all crime perpetrators categorized by strict immigration status or nationality.Offender Characteristics vs. VictimizationThe MoJ focuses on the demographic characteristics of defendants and convicted offenders. In contrast, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) measures crime from the victim's perspective using the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW).

Tracking Ethnicity is in fact mandatory at all stages of Criminal Justice System

Under PACE- Police and Criminal Evidence Act- it is mandatory in England and Wales to record the ethnicity of an arrested person, both SDE- Self Defined Ethnicity AND Officer Identified Ethnicity. The police also document an arrested person- usually photograph, finger prints, DNA but can also include, none intimate body search, intimate body search, blood samples, finger nail clippings etc etc. They take mobile phones from detained person which they send to down load to look for evidence. If a person refuses to provide their ethnicity Officer Identified Ethnicity will be available.

The arrested detained person has access to free legal advice via a duty solicitor and an interpreter if needed- all this helps identify ethnicity if DP withholds- which in my experience they hardly ever do.

The Police pass this information to the Crown Prosecution Service who then makes the decision whether to prosecute and also logs SIE and OIE ethnicity data.

The number of individuals prosecuted and convicted is recorded and ethnicity data recorded.

Various crimes are broken down further in the same way, e.g. rape., e.g for rape offences.

Ethnicity is mandatory to record as a convicted person enters prison also.

Why not wait to find out exactly what happened before judging?

I think we know the answer to that don’t we!

Baronness Casey’s report revealed that in two thirds of cases ethnicity was NOT recorded.

..and she therefore concluded that ethnicity data could not be used to draw accurate conclusions on a national scale

fancythat

^Time our own homeless, veterans & people with mental health came first. Shocking how they are overlooked & don’t say they aren’t because they are.^

They are not victim enough any more.

How true 😞

What is a person with mental health please?

greyfur

What is a person with mental health please?

Another pedant.

You know full well what is meant.

Primrose53

Baronness Casey’s report revealed that in two thirds of cases ethnicity was NOT recorded.

Didn’t her audit collect data as far back as 2009? Didn’t those three police forces shy away from doing what they were required to do? It’s now mandatory in PACE and in my experience it’s complied with now.

Didn’t those 3 police forces in those child sex exploitation cases also view the girls as child prostitutes? Horrendous failing.

Sago

greyfur

What is a person with mental health please?

Another pedant.

You know full well what is meant.

No. greyfur, imo, is quite right to pick that up. We all have 'Mental Heath".

Some people have mild Mental illness or Mental Heath problems, some people have serious Mental Health problems.
Few of us have perfect "Mental Heath" Its not pedantry,

Its actually just meaningless and usually used pejoratively.

sago I do remember reading about errors and pedantry you wrote about and it being upsetting -its just that for anyone working in the Mental heath sector or having problems in that regard, its really is a no no. Red flag, for a number of reasons. Important to get it right for those of us in those categories.