Govt announces Ukrainian style scheme to bring thousands more migrants to UK

mumofmadboys

Primrose nearly 74,000 people offered to house Ukranian guests. Do you not know at least one of those folk?

Well I don’t know anyone who has taken in migrants from any country including Ukraine, why would we?

There is no obligation to help anyone. It depends on our individual resources. I'm surprised you don't know anyone Oreo who has taken in Ukrainian folk or heard of anyone in your town.

I also know of someone who has taken in several refugees for some years now....

Each one in turn- then as they move on offers accommodation for the next one.....

mumofmadboys
Considering that the population of the UK is around 69.5 million it’s no surprise surely that we don’t all know any of the
74,000 who offered a home to Ukrainian families.

It's also not just Ukrainians refugees that have been taken in by UK citizens- the person I know has successively taken in refugees to their home since around 2012/2013.

So?

It’s still not surprising that we don’t all know of people who have done so.

I don't know anyone who has taken in refugees but I am aware that many people do.
Not everyone has the resources to offer accomodation and most people are aware of that and don't criticise those who can't.

I agree AGAA4. There have been posters on this thread who seemingly seek to be critical of posters that are unwilling to state that they would offer accommodation to a refugee. under this proposed. scheme.

As Oreo points out we are a country of nearly 70 million- of that there will be a proportion that have previously and will in the future, offer accommodation to a refugee.

Why are we obliged to take in every refugee from around the world who wants to come here? Too many who might wish us harm, or who are criminals, are attempting to board the sinking ship which is the UK.

We have a criminal underworld now which is out of control, with drug dealers and people traffickers. We have schools and hospitals falling down, filthy water because our water companies can't cope, nowhere near enough houses, energy issues, the list goes on. Our infrastructure can't cope, and yet you want more people to put pressure on it?

Don't forget, this will never end. People will keep coming, in 10 years, 20 years, where will we be?

So I ask again, why are we obliged to take in every refugee from around the world who wants to come here?

The UK does not take very refugee in from around the world. All EU counties process applications from asylum seekers/ refugees as it the refugee's legal entitlement and the UK's legal obligation under the 1951 Refugee Convention law.

It is not a question "wanting more people to come" it is more the case its a fact of life that for centuries refugees have been seeking safe sanctuary away from wars, persecution, flood, famine etc in their home countries. With climate change, ever increasing inequalities, global wars etc the situation is unlikely to change soon.

We have schools and hospitals falling down, filthy water because our water companies can't cope

The whole fabric and infrastructure is crumbling due to years of mismanagement and greed by a few.

It is not the fault of refugees.

Up until we left the EU the number of asylum claims made and granted were fairly stable and lower. 2020 onwards...

Number of UK asylum claims granted

Under Conservative Government
2020- 21,500 grants
2021- 14,700 ( Covid pandemic impacted)
2022- 33,700
2023 69,000
2024 50,000- Labour came into office July 2024.

Under Labour government
2025 54,800

The UK receives fewer asylum seeker applications per capita than the EU average, ranking between 12th and 17th highest across European nations, falls to roughly between 15th and 20th when adjusted for populations size.

All EU countries grapple with infrastructure challenges, how much tax its citizens are prepared to pay etc. However compared to the origin countries of the asylum seekers granted asylum UK citizens are extremely fortunate and privileged to have our UK access to healthcare, water, food, education etc comparatively.

To invest in improvement and repair UK fabric and infrastructure is not mutually exclusive to asylum seeker support. We can be a compassionate society and meet our legal obligations in respect of asylum seekers and make the necessary improvements.

MT62

Casdon

It’s like painting by numbers on here sometimes. Just look at the evidence.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70989jrdweo

Do you believe everything the bbc tells you?

The information is from the Home Office and the ONS.

It can be verified at those sources.

The BBC is just reporting the above.

I think it’s way more than is reported b & j

What proof do you have though, MT62? I think you have to separate factual information based on the statistical information collected by the government agencies, which is all the BBC and other media channels can provide, and your ‘gut feeling’.

greyfur

*We have schools and hospitals falling down, filthy water because our water companies can't cope*

The whole fabric and infrastructure is crumbling due to years of mismanagement and greed by a few.

It is not the fault of refugees.

No-one said anything is the fault of the refugees. But allowing more and more people to enter the country is only going to put additional pressure on our infrastructure, They all need somewhere to live, and we don't even have enough homes for our own people.

Casdon

What proof do you have though, MT62? I think you have to separate factual information based on the statistical information collected by the government agencies, which is all the BBC and other media channels can provide, and your ‘gut feeling’.

I have seen footage of migrants running off into the distance (back in the beginning of migrants landing on the beaches in Kent).
Probably a better set up now for accounting for these people.

I have a relative who is in a mess with drink & drugs. Found out they are being evicted.
Really do I want to take them in? No not really! but they would be my main priority if I had to house someone, not strangers, especially from another culture that I know nothing about.
I’ll do my bit offering food to the food banks & clothes to the charity shops.
But to be honest at my time of life with other problems going on, I really can’t be bothered- Sorry but a no from me.

I recall earlier in this thread M62 someone giving a sensible list of the kinds of reasons people our ages, especially at the older end, simply aren't in a position to take anyone in.

Aged 30, 40, 50, I could and would had I had a spare room. But I'm 75 with chronic fatigue, it isnt viable. There is no shame in this and I don't like any attempts to jeer (not you M62) and say

"if you support the policy then you should be prepared to take someone in".

I daresay many felt like they about people from the Ukraine - supported the idea: did what they could, but could not be hosts.

Ah - the old "tu quoque" ("if you support X, you must personally do Y") argument.

The OP assumes the only sincere way to support refugees is to invite them into your own home. That's a false choice. People can support resettlement through taxes, charities, volunteering, or simply believing the government should provide a safe route. Whether someone has a spare room doesn't determine whether their view is valid.

The "getting ready for the usual excuses" part doesn't invite discussion. It just pre-judges anyone who disagrees. If the aim is to debate the policy, it's more useful to discuss costs, capacity, and evidence - as many have actually done - than to question strangers' personal living arrangements.

I think the tone of this thread has been most unfortunate. It has served only to put peoples backs up. There should be no pressure to offer accommodation to refugees. It is a personal decision based on one's circumstances.
As has been stated there are other ways we csn help refugees without offering accommodation.

If the OP had left out the last paragraph this could have been a good discussion without people feeling that they have to justify their very valid reasons for not offering accomodation.

mumofmadboys

I think the tone of this thread has been most unfortunate. It has served only to put peoples backs up. There should be no pressure to offer accommodation to refugees. It is a personal decision based on one's circumstances.
As has been stated there are other ways we csn help refugees without offering accommodation.

The hectoring tone is misplaced. Nobody needs to justify why in later life, they may choose not to invite a refugee into their home.