Govt announces Ukrainian style scheme to bring thousands more migrants to UK

I've also noticed the hectoring tone, the expectation that posters should justify why they wouldn't personally take into their home a refugee, the "getting ready for the usual excuses" comments.

I thought Gransnet was supposed to be a safe space to share views without being hectored and disparaged if someones view is different to another's.

No-one is obliged to take in a refugee to their home, just as the UK should not be obliged to take in a never ending stream of refugees. This wall board from a UK support centre showed all the countries where the people they helped came from.

I ask again, why are we obliged to take in every refugee from all over the world who wants to come here?

Are you confusing refugees and asylum seekers Chestnut?

Your questions have already been answered - by several posters Chestnut. Much explanatory information also available on line.

Chestnut Sat 04-Jul-26 16:55:40
Why are we obliged to take in every refugee from around the world who wants to come here? Too many who might wish us harm, or who are criminals, are attempting to board the sinking ship which is the UK.

We have a criminal underworld now which is out of control, with drug dealers and people traffickers. We have schools and hospitals falling down, filthy water because our water companies can't cope, nowhere near enough houses, energy issues, the list goes on. Our infrastructure can't cope, and yet you want more people to put pressure on it?

Don't forget, this will never end. People will keep coming, in 10 years, 20 years, where will we be?

So I ask again, why are we obliged to take in every refugee from around the world who wants to come here?

Add comment | Report | Private message | Quote LemonJam Sat 04-Jul-26 17:07:39
The UK does not take very refugee in from around the world. All EU counties process applications from asylum seekers/ refugees as it the refugee's legal entitlement and the UK's legal obligation under the 1951 Refugee Convention law.

It is not a question "wanting more people to come" it is more the case its a fact of life that for centuries refugees have been seeking safe sanctuary away from wars, persecution, flood, famine etc in their home countries. With climate change, ever increasing inequalities, global wars etc the situation is unlikely to change soon.

Whatever the law says, we cannot carry on like this. The latest BBC investigation uncovered a people smuggler living in Leicester, running high street vape shops who was a millionaire. How many more like him? We have criminal gangs living right under our noses because we have no idea who is entering the country.

Chestnut

No-one is obliged to take in a refugee to their home, just as the UK should not be obliged to take in a never ending stream of refugees. This wall board from a UK support centre showed all the countries where the people they helped came from.

I ask again, why are we obliged to take in every refugee from all over the world who wants to come here?

There has been thorough discussion. The inaccuracies have been pointed out. But I will say it again for clarity ... the premise of your question isn't accurate.

The UK isn't obliged to take every refugee who wants to come here, and it doesn't.

The debate is about how many people the UK should protect and under what rules - not whether everyone who asks is automatically admitted. Those are two different questions.

Chestnut

Whatever the law says, we cannot carry on like this. The latest BBC investigation uncovered a people smuggler living in Leicester, running high street vape shops who was a millionaire. How many more like him? We have criminal gangs living right under our noses because we have no idea who is entering the country.

No one is defending people smugglers. If the BBC exposed one, they should be arrested and prosecuted - this is what already happens.

But one criminal gang doesn't prove "we have no idea who's entering the country." That's a conclusion, not evidence. It's perfectly reasonable to argue for stronger border enforcement without assuming every asylum seeker is connected to organised crime or that the system knows nothing about the people who arrive.

Strong arguments don't need exaggeration. If the evidence is persuasive, it should stand on its own without overstating what the law says or what the facts show.

These politicians probably have big homes, plenty of bedrooms.
Since they want all these migrants, & refugees, I think they should accommodate them in their homes.
I am all for charity starts at home.
Our own homeless want sorting out as it’s becoming a disgrace.

MT62

These politicians probably have big homes, plenty of bedrooms.
Since they want all these migrants, & refugees, I think they should accommodate them in their homes.
I am all for charity starts at home.
Our own homeless want sorting out as it’s becoming a disgrace.

MT62

Have you seen the “Stand Up to Racism” group have launched a petition against 1,250 asylum seekers being housed near them in Bicester, Oxfordshire?

Refugees Welcome but not in our back yard hey? 🤣

Oh no, no haven’t. Sounds about right.
My old boss at work, church goer, use to say ‘isn’t it everyone’s world’? When anyone mentioned about other cultures.
Now they want to put an HMO near them.
She’s crying to me now about how they are now setting up a petition against it.
I just said, isn’t it everyone’s world? 😂
She’s one of them ‘ just not in my yard’

MT62

Oh no, no haven’t. Sounds about right.
My old boss at work, church goer, use to say ‘isn’t it everyone’s world’? When anyone mentioned about other cultures.
Now they want to put an HMO near them.
She’s crying to me now about how they are now setting up a petition against it.
I just said, isn’t it everyone’s world? 😂
She’s one of them ‘ just not in my yard’

Primrose

Chestnut

Whatever the law says, we cannot carry on like this. The latest BBC investigation uncovered a people smuggler living in Leicester, running high street vape shops who was a millionaire. How many more like him? We have criminal gangs living right under our noses because we have no idea who is entering the country.

So many people chose to open the floodgates.

I agree with Sarnia on this subject. Young men coming in from these countries are not usually respectful of our values and attitudes to women, girls and gay people.
People are right to be aware of these differences.
As I recall Angela Merkel once welcomed in an influx of migrants into Germany, however the Hamburg area say some horrendous incidents of young women being harassed and worse, leading to a complete change towards Merkel.
My eldest son has been with his male partner (now husband) for 30 years.
Over the years attitudes to gay people has evolved and we have become a more open and tolerant society.
I can see us having an influx of people arriving here who will not be prepared to integrate at all into a tolerant society.

You are forgetting the men who come, why, just like your lovely son, because they face death in countries who cannot accept our values.

There is a really gross "tarring all with the same brush" line of thought going on here. Well - incomers are all different. I posted up thread an example of Afghan gay men who had tried to escape through Turkey and were some frozen to death and others lost limbs through frostbite carried in each others arms in limbo.
Or the decent men whose families have made the mistake with the smugglers of giving their last pennies to the youngest and most able to cope up so they can bring their womenfolk over too?

My God, do you judge

"Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone"

It’s all very well being a 😇 about this immigrant problem but it’s up to our government to keep us safe and not allow our towns and cities to become overcrowded , as immigration needs to be carefully done for any country.Asylum granted to the truly needy only, as it used to be.

greyfur

mumofmadboys

I think the tone of this thread has been most unfortunate. It has served only to put peoples backs up. There should be no pressure to offer accommodation to refugees. It is a personal decision based on one's circumstances.
As has been stated there are other ways we csn help refugees without offering accommodation.

The hectoring tone is misplaced. Nobody needs to justify why in later life, they may choose not to invite a refugee into their home.

And yet when FGT said she was too risk averse to take anyone in CatsWhiskas immediately said obviously FGT had never used a road or flew in a plane which I consider an unkind sarcastic remark. As I recall I was the only one to call her out for it.

Oreo

It’s all very well being a 😇 about this immigrant problem but it’s up to our government to keep us safe and not allow our towns and cities to become overcrowded , as immigration needs to be carefully done for any country.Asylum granted to the truly needy only, as it used to be.

The government acts as if it has no choices.

Do they have choices?

No saint here: full of faults: but lumping all incomers together as likely to do what they are accused of above makes me very angry given those I personally know who have come as refugees.

The Mental Ward Nurse I knew who escaped and entered as irregular intitally after seeing her family macheted in front of her?
The Eritrean cleaner at my gym right now who escaped a dangerous husband in a community that would not accept her needs, smuggled out by her Christian Church? These are real people, you know.

An elected governments first duty is to protect its citizens and country.

I wouldn’t take in any random person whether they be an asylum seeker, UK veteran or homeless person.

My charity is towards small local charities and our local hospice.

I have more individual stories but I'll shut up in the face of those who just won't see! Of course there are some arriving as economic migrants who need to be sent home, but OTOH we need some of them as reality hits our own people not working in various sectors as they are so badly paid and our birth rate. How many of us can be grateful of some incomer who has gone the extra mile for us in hospital?
I recall well an ambulance driver from a West African country (it was on the Channel 5 reality "999" who was so kind to elderly people he visited who lived alone and was sad our culture could leave out elders alone in that state? What makes us so superior?

How do you link being concerned about the influx of young undocumented men to a feeling of superiority Wyllow3 ?

Wyllow3

You are forgetting the men who come, why, just like your lovely son, because they face death in countries who cannot accept our values.

There is a really gross "tarring all with the same brush" line of thought going on here. Well - incomers are all different. I posted up thread an example of Afghan gay men who had tried to escape through Turkey and were some frozen to death and others lost limbs through frostbite carried in each others arms in limbo.
Or the decent men whose families have made the mistake with the smugglers of giving their last pennies to the youngest and most able to cope up so they can bring their womenfolk over too?

My God, do you judge

"Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone"

No-one is 'tarring all with the same brush' or throwing stones at everyone who tries to come here. Of course there are genuine people, honest and hardworking, willing to contribute to society. But amongst them are those who wish us harm or with criminal intentions, and it's no good pretending they are all saints.

Primrose53

MT62

These politicians probably have big homes, plenty of bedrooms.
Since they want all these migrants, & refugees, I think they should accommodate them in their homes.
I am all for charity starts at home.
Our own homeless want sorting out as it’s becoming a disgrace.

MT62

Have you seen the “Stand Up to Racism” group have launched a petition against 1,250 asylum seekers being housed near them in Bicester, Oxfordshire?

Refugees Welcome but not in our back yard hey? 🤣

Seems rather odd behaviour from this group. What is their motive do you think please?

greyfur

Primrose53

MT62

These politicians probably have big homes, plenty of bedrooms.
Since they want all these migrants, & refugees, I think they should accommodate them in their homes.
I am all for charity starts at home.
Our own homeless want sorting out as it’s becoming a disgrace.

MT62

Have you seen the “Stand Up to Racism” group have launched a petition against 1,250 asylum seekers being housed near them in Bicester, Oxfordshire?

Refugees Welcome but not in our back yard hey? 🤣

Seems rather odd behaviour from this group. What is their motive do you think please?

I found this about MOD Bicester on the BBC local news and it links to other similar articles.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpq3xggdj4yo