Govt announces Ukrainian style scheme to bring thousands more migrants to UK

GrannyGravy13

How do you link being concerned about the influx of young undocumented men to a feeling of superiority Wyllow3 ?

Accusing someone of virtue signalling is just another way of attacking them, GG13, or attempting to negate what they have said.

I quote you Wyllow3

What makes us so superior

My question is how do you arrive at the conclusion that some posters on this thread feel they are superior.

I know I certainly don’t consider myself superior.

greyfur

Primrose53

MT62

These politicians probably have big homes, plenty of bedrooms.
Since they want all these migrants, & refugees, I think they should accommodate them in their homes.
I am all for charity starts at home.
Our own homeless want sorting out as it’s becoming a disgrace.

MT62

Have you seen the “Stand Up to Racism” group have launched a petition against 1,250 asylum seekers being housed near them in Bicester, Oxfordshire?

Refugees Welcome but not in our back yard hey? 🤣

Seems rather odd behaviour from this group. What is their motive do you think please?

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Ah, I can clear that up GG13.

When I referred to "us" I was not referring to posters here, but the "us and them" cultural divide where "our" culture is "better".

ie, "Othering" people as "not us" because of culture not the many factors that make us up as different people/

Wyllow3

Ah, I can clear that up GG13.

When I referred to "us" I was not referring to posters here, but the "us and them" cultural divide where "our" culture is "better".

ie, "Othering" people as "not us" because of culture not the many factors that make us up as different people/

OK thank you 👍

Just goes to show how easy it is to misinterpret posts 🤦‍♀️

I should have been clearer.

It's interesting actually that it was Simone de Beauvoir who was one of the original thinkers on "othering".

"Simone de Beauvoir’s 1949 feminist book The Second Sex. ....De Beauvoir used the "Self-Other" binary to explain how men position themselves as the human "norm" (the Self), casting women as the divergent "Other". We've seen that change over time of course but it's still at the roots of some misogyny.

I know this is off topic but...I recall so well reading a book on political theory way back. I was trundling along, accepting of course that "man" was used for men and women at that time, (early 1970's)

Until I came to a chapter, "The Woman Question". it was like a sudden electric shock..where was "I", I thought I'd "Belonged" all along.

Sorry primrose I can’t watch that as I haven’t got facebook.
I’d just careful of what they wish for as it’s coming back to bite them on the backside.
Even Keir said we becoming a land of strangers

MT62

Sorry primrose I can’t watch that as I haven’t got facebook.
I’d just careful of what they wish for as it’s coming back to bite them on the backside.
Even Keir said we becoming a land of strangers

Be careful

I am under the impression that they are sending them all up North

Wyllow3

Ah, I can clear that up GG13.

When I referred to "us" I was not referring to posters here, but the "us and them" cultural divide where "our" culture is "better".

ie, "Othering" people as "not us" because of culture not the many factors that make us up as different people/

Well who said our culture is better? No-one. But it is our culture and we want to protect it from being lost. We don't want it to change into another culture. People seem to have missed that point.

I hear you but I just dont feel under threat. It feels to me like "an addition to" not something taken away.
I know this is a commonplace thing to say, but we are after all an island of waves of immigrants initially. Times change: what are folks afraid of losing ?

We talk about British decency and so on, but goodness me, the rates of abuse to women and children? The cities smeared with graffiti? Home grown, home grown.

Primrose53

greyfur

Primrose53

MT62

These politicians probably have big homes, plenty of bedrooms.
Since they want all these migrants, & refugees, I think they should accommodate them in their homes.
I am all for charity starts at home.
Our own homeless want sorting out as it’s becoming a disgrace.

MT62

Have you seen the “Stand Up to Racism” group have launched a petition against 1,250 asylum seekers being housed near them in Bicester, Oxfordshire?

Refugees Welcome but not in our back yard hey? 🤣

Seems rather odd behaviour from this group. What is their motive do you think please?

share.google/A8U5gshBTTfwIE1bq

Please can you answer my polite question?

Sorry I can't see the link.

Approx 500 locals turned up today for a peaceful protest at former RAF Barnham on the Norfolk/Suffolk border.

They also protested last weekend. They are very concerned that there is talk of 1,250 migrants being moved there.

greyfur

Primrose53

greyfur

Primrose53

MT62

These politicians probably have big homes, plenty of bedrooms.
Since they want all these migrants, & refugees, I think they should accommodate them in their homes.
I am all for charity starts at home.
Our own homeless want sorting out as it’s becoming a disgrace.

MT62

Have you seen the “Stand Up to Racism” group have launched a petition against 1,250 asylum seekers being housed near them in Bicester, Oxfordshire?

Refugees Welcome but not in our back yard hey? 🤣

Seems rather odd behaviour from this group. What is their motive do you think please?

share.google/A8U5gshBTTfwIE1bq

Please can you answer my polite question?

Sorry I can't see the link.

Polite answer - you could try asking them but seems to me it’s a case of “not in my back yard”.

Wyllow3

I hear you but I just dont feel under threat. It feels to me like "an addition to" not something taken away.
I know this is a commonplace thing to say, but we are after all an island of waves of immigrants initially. Times change: what are folks afraid of losing ?

We talk about British decency and so on, but goodness me, the rates of abuse to women and children? The cities smeared with graffiti? Home grown, home grown.

I don’t feel under threat in my day to day life, our friends are from different countries and religions.

I do feel uncomfortable when driving/travelling through parts of London and other major towns and cities.

I do feel uncomfortable at times in our county town, with large groups of young male asylum seekers bussed in and just hanging around in large groups.

You can't see the link as the SM site used - or the person posting, who is a Reform Councillor in Nottinghamshire, is monitored by "SafeSearch" and thus won't open easily.

The chap hasn't a clue about what he is doing 🤣
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAgJugRZ8OE

Yes a worry if they don’t know what they are doing, but I suppose first Labour Party members would have been like that in the beginning.

MT62

Yes a worry if they don’t know what they are doing, but I suppose first Labour Party members would have been like that in the beginning.

"I suppose" is an accurate summary of the fact-finding in the recent posts.

In 1906, the Labour Representation Committee officially adopted the name Labour Party, and 29 MPs were elected, forming the first Parliamentary Labour Party under that name. Among them were:

Keir Hardie
Ramsay MacDonald
Arthur Henderson
Philip Snowden
James Henry Thomas (commonly known as J. H. Thomas) was not among the original 29 but entered Parliament shortly afterwards.

GrannyGravy13

Wyllow3

I hear you but I just dont feel under threat. It feels to me like "an addition to" not something taken away.
I know this is a commonplace thing to say, but we are after all an island of waves of immigrants initially. Times change: what are folks afraid of losing ?

We talk about British decency and so on, but goodness me, the rates of abuse to women and children? The cities smeared with graffiti? Home grown, home grown.

I don’t feel under threat in my day to day life, our friends are from different countries and religions.

I do feel uncomfortable when driving/travelling through parts of London and other major towns and cities.

I do feel uncomfortable at times in our county town, with large groups of young male asylum seekers bussed in and just hanging around in large groups.

It's interesting how the feeling of being 'uncomfortable' often gets explained by the presence of whichever group is most visible or politically contentious at the time.

Any large group of young men can feel intimidating whoever they are.

I googled the question, were people frightened by groups of mods and rockers"

read the answers carefully - they bear an uncanny resemblance to what some posters have said how they feel about their experiences with different cultures and exactly same reasons.

"Yes, many people were genuinely frightened by large groups of mods and rockers. For middle-class Britons accustomed to post-war peace and quiet, the sudden emergence of massive, loud, and visibly aggressive youth tribes—clashing on beaches and intimidating locals—caused widespread alarm and a national.The fear and public reaction were driven by several key factors:

Sensationalised Media Coverage The media capitalised on the clashes (particularly during the 1964 Whitsun Bank Holiday at coastal towns like Brighton and Margate) to create a nationwide "moral panic". Tabloids frequently published screaming headlines like "Battle of Brighton" and referred to the teenagers as vermin or mutated locusts

and worse for violence!

Visible Violence While actual property damage was relatively low, the physical confrontations were incredibly real for those caught in the middle. Large crowds of up to 1,000 youths engaged in running battles, overturning scooters, throwing deck chairs and pebbles, and forcing terrified families off the beach

Disrupting the Status Quo These were the first generation of teenagers with their own disposable income and freedom of movement. Older generations feared the perceived disintegration of traditional British character as young people took over town centres, engaged in heavy drinking, and ignored authority.

Exaggerated Reality Decades later, historians and participants noted that the press sometimes amplified the fear. Tabloids exaggerated the danger by staging photos or turning isolated skirmishes into evidence of all-out gang warfare. Many locals who lived in these coastal towns at the time later reported that the events felt heavily overblown by the national press.

The Disintegration of National Character The media framed the subcultures as a threat to traditional British law, order, and morality.

Further research shows the moral panics that developed around attacks on girls and women emerged during the 70's and 80's and related not to other cultures but within Brit white culture.

So they were violent and that made people afraid, I am not sure how that helps.

Didn't the mods eventually morph into the skinheads movement.

Galaxy

So they were violent and that made people afraid, I am not sure how that helps.

Because the violent clashes in Brighton during the Whitsun bank holiday of May 1964 were carried out by a small minority of the young people present.

Out of an estimated 1,000 to 1,500 youths who traveled to the seaside, only a fraction actively fought, while the vast majority were simply ordinary teenagers enjoying their day off. (BBC)

The media's sensationalist coverage of this minority created a massive "moral panic" that unfairly demonized an entire generation. (Wikipedia)

Nothing changes and we would have heard much the same comments from much the same groups as we do now.