Govt announces Ukrainian style scheme to bring thousands more migrants to UK

They are considering a small amount of people to start with. It provides a legal route and they think this will deter small boat crossing. They will be sponsored by universities, businesses and charities. So they will be well supported and integrated into communities, training and work..

Primrose53

Wyllow3

Oh, FGT - tell that to the hundreds and thousands of women and children abused emotionally or/and sexually by our white male and sometimes female population.

"no, you're not in danger"
"not at risk"

So easy to see the mote in "An Other's" eye.
So easy to spread fear
So easy to create an atmosphere where gross generalisations are made on race.

Just take the example in Belfast where rabid far right thugs fire bombed perfectly ordinary families in their terraced homes

Because they were not white.

Here we go …… it’s nothing to do with them not being white.
A lot of Afghans and Iranians are white.

In Belfast, it certainly was to do with the people inside not being white.

Primrose as OP- you are evidently aware that asylum seekers from worn torn Sudan and Eritrea are not white.

Bearing in mind their legal right to seek asylum under the 1951 UN Convention, do you object to these refugees from Sudan and Eritrea entering the UK via the proposed scheme you outline that will be presented to parliament next week?

Or would prefer Sudan and Eritrean asylum seekers instead them to rock up at a UK Border, by small boat, after a perilous, expensive boat trafficked journey, be housed in either a military barracks, hotel or HMO, and not able to work?

Or are you saying those in worn torn countries like Sudan and Eritrea shouldn't be allowed the human right to seek asylum in the UK the first place?

Or are you saying only white asylum seekers should be allowed to seek asylum/refuge in the UK like the Ukrainians?

LemonJam thank you for posing some pertinent questions there.

I look forward to reading the answers.

'When you say nothing at all' 🎶
Just finishing a song.

Cast your minds back a few months ago, there was a chat about a young Afghan student who was trying to get a visa to study here. Some of us sent emails about it, but no luck. Maybe time to resend that message ✍️

From BBC report" Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood said the new system would protect "genuine refugees" while "closing loopholes that have been too often abused".

Makes sense!!

There are lots of ways of welcoming asylum seekers that don't involve taking them into your home.

mumofmadboys

To put the record right you get £350 per month if you house one refugee or four

Are you supposed to feed a family for a month off that?

CatsWhiskas

I assume you've never travelled on a road or been in a plane, if you're so risk-averse.

What a thoroughly nasty comment. You know full well FGT has done both, are you trying to belittle her aversion to the risk of taking a stranger into her home? Do we assume you will be offering a home to a refugee since you're obviously not risk averse at all?

Madgran77

From BBC report" Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood said the new system would protect "genuine refugees" while "closing loopholes that have been too often abused".

Makes sense!!

Absolutely.

I fail to understand, since the assessments are done in the country of origin
People are assuming the same risk levels of irregular migration
and this will mean that women or refugee families can apply so reduce single men only arrivals

Sheesh, people are still saying the same as if they were irregular arrivals.

Been all round Manchester back in the day. Also family in Liverpool. Outskirts today aren’t nice at all.
But to have all these homeless in this day & age is an absolute disgrace.

MT62

Been all round Manchester back in the day. Also family in Liverpool. Outskirts today aren’t nice at all.
But to have all these homeless in this day & age is an absolute disgrace.

Catswhiskas

Primrose53

AGAA4

What a very unpleasant thread.

It’s news and not unpleasant. People have differing opinions and just because they do not align with yours does not make you right or better than anybody else.

Well said 👏👏👏👏👏

vegansrock

People don’t seem to realise that over 90% of migrants arrive here legally anyway thanks to one B Johnson and his “ take back control “ lie.

Absolutely. That’s why I didn’t vote for then last two times

Madgran77

From BBC report" Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood said the new system would protect "genuine refugees" while "closing loopholes that have been too often abused".

Makes sense!!

I agree. Plus they will be screened before arrival whcih is good news.

It may be an idea to facilitate/formulate a scheme which would recruit /encourage the already ‘settled’ migrant communities to be involved in aiding their fellow countrymen/women - practically and financially 👍☘️ FGT I understand your concerns - parts of Liverpool are effectively ’no go’ areas due to many factors - unregulated untrammelled immigration and concomitant social problems both for immigrants and indigenous people being one

CatsWhiskas

I assume you've never travelled on a road or been in a plane, if you're so risk-averse.

Not quite the same thing is it.
You obviously haven’t observed clips of young women on buses & tubes being pestered for sexual favours by some of these men.

Rosie51

CatsWhiskas

I assume you've never travelled on a road or been in a plane, if you're so risk-averse.

What a thoroughly nasty comment. You know full well FGT has done both, are you trying to belittle her aversion to the risk of taking a stranger into her home? Do we assume you will be offering a home to a refugee since you're obviously not risk averse at all?

The proposal includes detail of screening the refugees before they arrive.

The proposal is not seeking that every household across the country takes a refugee, already screened, into their home. , Rosie51 it appears you will not put your self forward to do so and that's absolutely fine but why your antipathy towards CatsWhiskas with your question "Do we assume you will be offering a home to a refugee since you're obviously not risk averse at all?'

It's up to individuals to decide for themselves and they are not required to defend their choices. Plenty will put themselves forward and that's all that matters.

LizzieDrip

^Contact Refugees at Home there are other organisations also. This is not a new thing. I know someone who has offered accommodation to various refugees as they arrived in the UK for over 14 years. Support such as you mention ronib around the house and garden often offered and welcomed. There are many that have good hearts and wish to support such refugees. I hope those that are less supportive and understanding are not seeking to disparage the views of those that support refugees or the support offered to those refugees arriving in the UK from terrible worn torn places in the world such as Sudan and Eritrea. That would be unpleasant^

Agreed LemonJam.

I have a friend who has done this through a church charity. She lives alone and has offered refuge for several asylum seekers over the years.

As well as her having a good heart, she’s found that the refugees are also extremely kind hearted and grateful. They’ve helped her with gardening, cleaning, shopping and even decorating.

I’ve only heard her speak highly of the people she’s housed.

She’s been quite lucky then LD

LemonJam did you miss the bit where CatsWhiskas made her nasty comment because FGT said she wouldn't take the risk of having a stranger in her home. You have now assumed that I won't and apparently that's OK?

It's up to individuals to decide for themselves and they are not required to defend their choices. isn't that exactly what CatsWhiskas was expecting FGT to do?

Rosie51- if you decide to take a refugee into your home I would applaud you as I did an earlier poster. I assumed, but feel free to correct me if I was wrong and I agree to be corrected if so, that it was something you were not minded to do form the content of your posts.

I did not view the comment

*CatsWhiskas
I assume you've never travelled on a road or been in a plane, if you're so risk-averse*

as thoroughly nasty as you did. The refugees are going to be screened before arrival It is a fact that getting on a plane and travelling on a road involves risk.

I wonder how the risks compare?- ie number of accidents on the road and from plane journeys compared to those in the UK who have provided kind hearted sanctuary in their homes for refugees seeking sanctuary form war torn places in the world and have suffered harm?

All that I have known who have opened their homes to refugees have found it a rewarding experience and have not come to any harm.

LizzieDrip

^Contact Refugees at Home there are other organisations also. This is not a new thing. I know someone who has offered accommodation to various refugees as they arrived in the UK for over 14 years. Support such as you mention ronib around the house and garden often offered and welcomed. There are many that have good hearts and wish to support such refugees. I hope those that are less supportive and understanding are not seeking to disparage the views of those that support refugees or the support offered to those refugees arriving in the UK from terrible worn torn places in the world such as Sudan and Eritrea. That would be unpleasant^

Agreed LemonJam.

I have a friend who has done this through a church charity. She lives alone and has offered refuge for several asylum seekers over the years.

As well as her having a good heart, she’s found that the refugees are also extremely kind hearted and grateful. They’ve helped her with gardening, cleaning, shopping and even decorating.

I’ve only heard her speak highly of the people she’s housed.

Everyone I know thats opened their home to offer sanctuary to refugees also have said it has been a mutually rewarding experience.

MT62

CatsWhiskas

I assume you've never travelled on a road or been in a plane, if you're so risk-averse.

Not quite the same thing is it.
You obviously haven’t observed clips of young women on buses & tubes being pestered for sexual favours by some of these men.

No, I haven't but I did travel by bus and train twice a day when I was a teenager and remember being pestered even in the 1960s and 70s. Shame we didn't have mobile phones back in the day. It's not new.

If being adverse to the risk of taking a scene asylum seeker into your home is the sole reason for objecting to this scheme so be it. There are plenty that will.