Professor Jason Arday - plagiarism etc

The character of the person who reveals awkward and embarrassing information is irrelevant if what they reveal is accurate and significant.

M0nica

The character of the person who reveals awkward and embarrassing information is irrelevant if what they reveal is accurate and significant.

Of course it is, Monica except when something about that person is relevant to the subject being discussed and in the case of Cafnas, it was very relevant and of interest (at least to some people).

Im in agreement with Monica.

If the information is true and factual it’s irrelevant who reveals that.

It only becomes relevant if the information is false, surely.

Cofnas is part of the story because of what happened to him in 2024 at Cambridge university so IMO it is relevant to this particular event. Whereas the Times reporters who did an excellent (and better job IMO) of exposing Arday did not have a relevant backstory. But happy for anyone to disagree, it's just my opinion!

I still think that the focus for all this should be on the university, not Jason Arday, a clever man but with very serious mental issues.

What Vofnas did and the type of person he is is Cofnas’s story I think.People are justified in pretty much all the criticisms of his beliefs and his writings .

But U genuinely don’t understand how it has any relevance to what Ardy has done.
His falsehoods are falsehoods regardless of who discovers the truth. They are not really any part of his story. They could be anyone. In that case irrelevant.

I’m not sure what people are saying or wanting here.

Questions can only come from those who are broadly in sympathy with the questioned? Whether background or thrust of argument.

Questions can only come from official sources.

Questions from those known to be hostile should be discounted and ignored.

People who are thought of as bad shouldn’t be allowed to question those perceived as good?

I suppose I just see truth as truth regardless of who.

When I say They are not part of his story I mean the person who exposed him is not really a part of Ardys own story unless it is a false exposure.

Also from what I can see The Guardian did its own investigations and produced more of the falsehoods.

"But the other issues I alluded to above can prevent "outsiders" of one kind or another being appointed: and that includes gender and race which I think does need a balance."

Well, Arday has certainly not advanced the argument for the appointment of ethnic minorities, or 'outsiders' as you call them, in our institutions, has he. He has possibly set back the possibility of progress for others too by his actions.

Mental health problems or just sheer arrogance and in fact taking the proverbial to see how far he could go with this charade?

Galaxy

Also from what I can see The Guardian did its own investigations and produced more of the falsehoods.

I wouldn't have expected anything else from the Guardian they print a great many stories it doesn't matter if they are true.

There’s absolutely zero evidence that JA has serious mental health problems. There’s also zero evidence he’s autistic. He’s obviously a fantasist, and there are many that indulge in such behaviour, I’ve met several such people from school through to various working environments and socially. They are in every social strata.

The difference with this man is he is not only black but neurodivergent (supposedly), had a difficult start in life and has overcome horrendous hardships to achieve such high honours. As more than one commentator put it he had a full house on the bingo card of adversity and Cambridge wanted him as their poster boy.

I believe he’s gone through life weaving these fabulous tales and so called serious, intelligent people in academia have enabled, encouraged and ultimately elevated him and so he just kept going. He probably couldn’t believe how easy it was himself.

So yes, I agree with Boris and others on this. Those on high have a lot to answer for and it is only fitting that some of them take the fall along with Jason Arday as they facilitated this.

I agree with you 💯 surfsup (and Boris!).

A fantasist has a personality disorder. Anyone weaving a fantasy alternative life to this extent, and believing others will accept this is not normal. There is a difference between being mentally ill and having a personality disorder.

Agree with the first two sentences.

3rd one - is there a difference?

AI Overview Yes, a personality disorder is a type of mental health condition or mental illness. It involves long-lasting patterns of thinking, feeling, and behaving that differ greatly from cultural expectations and cause problems in daily life.

Personality disorders are difficult to treat.
It needs the individual to recognise they’re the problem
I’ll say one word - trump

M0nica

A fantasist has a personality disorder. Anyone weaving a fantasy alternative life to this extent, and believing others will accept this is not normal. There is a difference between being mentally ill and having a personality disorder.

Its true that fantasising, and lying, are among the diagnostic symptoms of some personality disorders .

However, it doesn't follow that every fantasist and liar has a personality disorder.

Well, he’s dead now

The whole saga has been dreadfully mismanaged. It’s very sad that it’s come to this but I still feel the academics at Cambridge and elsewhere should have dealt with this far sooner and provided professional support.

Absolutely.

Perhaps they didnt realise he was ill.

I’ve just read that he was found unresponsive and has died.
The whole thing is a tragedy. I do hope there isn’t some kind of witch hunt in an attempt to blame individuals or organisations for his death.

Just read he has died.

And the 'tone' is changing.

An"unexplained " death, we on GN have been as critical as any.

The real culprits have been the liberal extremists who aimed to make an autistic dyslexic a professor at Cambridge knowing his intellectual limitations and he just could not cope with the criticism.

We see this very often children who have praise exaggerated of their achievements, then when they get to the real world they can't cope. It ends in depression and often worse

No, the ‘real culprits’ are the ones who gleefully tore him apart, blaming a system most won’t understand and making ‘race card’ accusations.

Let’s at least be honest now we know that the results of their cruelty are that the poor man is dead at around 36 years old.