Alternatives to prison?

Charleygirl5

I am unsure how a child can go through years of so called education and still be unable to read and write. Is this not noticed in school.

I know little of prisons but what I have read, some have more electronic items than I do. I would restrict TV viewing, but how one stops drugs being brought in is beyond me.

In London so many tubes are removed from service because of graffiti. If that person was caught, he or she would be removing it but again it has to be supervised.

I would do well, having loved my years at boarding school so used to be regimented, even now I could cope with food at regular times, warmth and hopefully my own cell.

I don't know what happens when they are discharged, probably not much. Compulsory army training for females as well as males would help, but they must be taught to read and write and that takes time, money and assistance. Difficult if they are of low intelligence.

Shedloads of money for starters.

Our local local authority college provides education and support for students failed by the education system. Many of them weren’t diagnosed as neuro diverse at primary or high school. Our education system has become so focussed on sats and academic work, it’s possible for their particular needs to not be recognised, never mind met

Students are supported to achieve gcse maths and English to statge four, the expected level, it can take four years and needs dedicated staff who support social as well as academic needs. Inevitably, many students have experienced neglect, abuse, hunger, all kinds of deprivation. Safeguarding goal posts get wider as resources become limited

To reduce our prison population look at LemonJam’s post - we need early years education supported by family centres , focus on prevention.

Prisons are not places where prisoners have more electronic items than you do Charleygirl. They’re tough places, with many prisoners confined to cells for long periods. Opportunities to improve literacy and numeracy increasingly rare. I’ve been shown achievement certificates from prisoners, who are proud they e attended and worked hard in courses. These men would benefit from structured work and educational opportunities. Stuck in a cell twenty four hours little wonder substance abuse is rife.

Iam64 22:42

I couldn’t agree more.

As “bizarre” and “strange” as it might seem to some, normally these kids slipping through the system have barely been in formal education and as you say, any difficulties in primary school, where most of us master reading, writing and ‘rithmatic, were not picked up.

When at the job centre, the number of youngsters with no, or very poor literally, many male, was astounding, luckily, it was picked up fairly quickly under the old systems as we made people fill in paper forms, with the advent of everything digital in the jobcentre, it’s much much harder, as said youngsters simply get someone to complete everything necessary online for them! One of their more literate mates normally.

It’s a huge problem as you cannot even (legally) even work as a labourer, on sites, without the requisite health and safety cards, which the jobcentre is happy to fund, but which require passing a digital test, which requires you to be able to read to even complete, let alone pass.

All of these things are so clearly linked, chaotic families, children slipping through the education system, mental health conditions, learning difficulties, being in care, being vulnerable, getting involved in petty crime, possibly drugs, caught more than once, imprisoned, no proper help/treatment/rehabilitation.

There we have it! 😕😕

So we know what causes the problem, how to address it though? We can't rewind current criminal's lives.

I think they should put decommissioned cruise ships to use as prison ships and moor them somewhere remote, away from civilisation.

Aveline, we have evidence that prisoners contained in conditions some see as ‘soft’ behave better in hmp. If properly supported on release, they’re less likely to reoffend

Robin202

I think they should put decommissioned cruise ships to use as prison ships and moor them somewhere remote, away from civilisation.

Where will the prison officers come from? I thought they had a staffing problem.

Huge staffing issues, as in other public services, austerity led to experienced prison officers, senior managers in. Social workers all being made redundant. It left yiung inexperienced people in charge before they developed necessary skills and experience.

Short term savings and awful long term consequences

Strewth - prison hulks ? Now I’ve heard it all .Back to the 18th century. Please, no transportation!