What to do with immigrants? - ask Shakespeare

Wow - amazing

It is isn't it. He's quite some actor. It seems that the play itself was a collaboration, but that this speech is attributed to Shakespeare.

He needs to make this speech in Thetford.

Many people should listen to that speech. It seems we haven't changed in 400 years.

Sir IMc must care strongly about this issue, because in general he keeps away from any political areas preferring to address his concerns about social equality for gay people.

It's good to use art on stage to convey opinions in the vein of Shakespeare. A few politicians use/used the same technique to good effect and it can add weight to arguments just as effectively as modern day social media voices. Immigrations is timeless and universal.
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By the way, I'm not bragging here, and you needn't bother to read this, but DH worked with Sir Ian during his days in West End theatre. A very purposeful man with a passion for getting his message across in a well thought out manner.

He needs to make this speech to the Conservative party. It was announced today that if they get into government they will give council house tenants, who were born outside the UK, 6 months to find other accommodation. Council houses are allocated on the basis of need not immigration status with priority being given to those who are homeless, who live in severe overcrowding or are suffering medical hardship. I am appalled that families who have been living in this country for perhaps years, who have settled status and who are here quite legally, have contributed to our economy, often doing jobs that support the NHS and care sector and who have children settled in local schools, could find themselves homeless. Where is the "humanity" in this?

I was surprised to read reforms definition of what constitutes violence.

Violence = throwing a milk shake at Farage.

Non-violence = biting a police woman.

The chief constable of Norfolk has said much the same thing as Shakespeare. One can only commend him for this:

"This is people's lives we're talking about," he said. "This is human beings we're talking about and we ask the public that are protesting just to think about that for a moment."

Luckygirl3

The chief constable of Norfolk has said much the same thing as Shakespeare. One can only commend him for this:

^"This is people's lives we're talking about," he said. "This is human beings we're talking about and we ask the public that are protesting just to think about that for a moment."^

That’s asking a lot.

Luckygirl3

The chief constable of Norfolk has said much the same thing as Shakespeare. One can only commend him for this:

^"This is people's lives we're talking about," he said. "This is human beings we're talking about and we ask the public that are protesting just to think about that for a moment."^

He makes no mention of the feelings of people who have not been consulted about turning houses into HMOs which could have been used to house local people. Very unbalanced comment.

Feelings are one thing. Violent actions quite another.

As human beings we have to live alongside others and our needs have to be balanced against those of others. This always creates the possibility of conflict where needs do not coincide or are in competition. But it is wrong to dehumanise others whose needs conflict with ours.

Basgetti

Feelings are one thing. Violent actions quite another.

I was referring to the comment, not the actions.

Primrose53

Luckygirl3

The chief constable of Norfolk has said much the same thing as Shakespeare. One can only commend him for this:

^"This is people's lives we're talking about," he said. "This is human beings we're talking about and we ask the public that are protesting just to think about that for a moment."^

He makes no mention of the feelings of people who have not been consulted about turning houses into HMOs which could have been used to house local people. Very unbalanced comment.

Have you listened to the speech in the link.

If so, I’d be interested in your reaction.

Primrose53

Luckygirl3

The chief constable of Norfolk has said much the same thing as Shakespeare. One can only commend him for this:

^"This is people's lives we're talking about," he said. "This is human beings we're talking about and we ask the public that are protesting just to think about that for a moment."^

He makes no mention of the feelings of people who have not been consulted about turning houses into HMOs which could have been used to house local people. Very unbalanced comment.

The Police comments are not unbalanced at all:

Norfolk's chief constable Paul Sanford told the BBC: "We have moved asylum seekers away from properties in the town, that's absolutely correct.” He urged the public not to make assumptions and said there were Thetford residents now "concerned for their own safety”. "This is people's lives we're talking about," he said. "This is human beings we're talking about and we ask the public that are protesting just to think about that for a moment."

Assistant Chief Constable Julie Dean, who is overseeing the police response to the disorder, said: “We will always facilitate and support the right to peaceful protest, and we recognise that people may hold strong views and feelings about issues. However, no matter how strongly those views are held, there is no place for violence, intimidation or criminal behaviour
“Our role is to keep people safe. We have a duty to protect everyone in our communities, maintain public order and prevent harm. We will not stand by and allow violence to take place, whether that is directed towards members of the public, local residents or police officers carrying out their duties.
“Where criminal offences are committed, we will take robust action. Our focus remains on maintaining public safety and ensuring people can go about their lives without fear of violence or disorder.”

The Police are doing their job. The comment to think about these people as human beings is a very balanced and dignified comment in my view.

Whitewavemark2

Primrose53

Luckygirl3

The chief constable of Norfolk has said much the same thing as Shakespeare. One can only commend him for this:

^"This is people's lives we're talking about," he said. "This is human beings we're talking about and we ask the public that are protesting just to think about that for a moment."^

He makes no mention of the feelings of people who have not been consulted about turning houses into HMOs which could have been used to house local people. Very unbalanced comment.

Have you listened to the speech in the link.

If so, I’d be interested in your reaction.

TBH, superb as Sir Ian's delivery is, the speech itself says nothing more than has been said many times on this forum over the past few years.

Put yourself in their place in a foreign country.

But he says it with so much more poetic authority then you would ever find on here😊

True, MaizieD, but it is interesting that the same point was being made in the 16th century. If I remember correctly, the context was the prentices being afraid of losing their jobs.

Whitewavemark2

But he says it with so much more poetic authority then you would ever find on here😊

Yes, very often it's not what you say it's how you deliver it in terms of breath and expression, which doesn't come across in words on a page, however articulate you are.

The Chief Constable still says nothing about the rights or feelings of the neighbours. How many on here who previously lived beside a house with maybe 2 or 3 occupants and are now faced with 8 or 10 people who you know nothing about, would find that acceptable? Especially without being informed.

I am not condoning the violence or aggressive behaviour, I am just pointing this out.

The challenge of housing immigrants is undeniable. But the plea not to dehumanise them is a valid one.

But for a random twist of fate this could be any of us.

I live next door to a rental so every so often different people arrive "who I know nothing about".
I greet them with a smile and a welcome to the area. They have always been friendly in return.
Being hostile and suspicious of new people will never bode well.

Think thats what most people would do AGAA4.

We are all human beings at the end of the day, so being civil and welcoming to new neighbours makes the world a better place.

Nobody actually ever gets to choose new neighbours or gets consulted on who is moving in when someone else is moving out. The owner/landlord/property agent or council of a property gets to decide who lives in and moves into a property, not the neighbours.

Someone always has the option to move if they dont like their new neighbours. But we all know, or should know that it is against the law to be violent towards, intimidate or harass new neighbours on the basis you don't like them.

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