Andy Burnham says wealthy areas must house more migrants after leafy village revolts over 1,250 asylum seekers

Cossy

Sunshinegirls

Andy Burnham says wealthy areas must take more illegal immigrants, not just poor areas. He really doesn’t get it, does he? (Copied from X PC)

This is my point we don't want anymore Mega Boat migrants full stop. Not in poor areas and not in wealthy areas.

Correction! you not we Please don’t speak for others

Cossy - Are you happy for more Mega boat migrants to keep coming?

Why????

We ought to start a separate thread on it Cossy. This one is too important for us to hijack it I expect. I’m happy to do so.

Tuliptree

I’ve been wondering about the church in Piddington. Can’t find any statement from them online. I’d expect them to take some sort of role in this debate in the village.

I bet they are dead set against it.
It will be case all welcome but not in my yard!

Silvershadow

It was ever thus MartavTaurus. Growing up in the sixties at an all girls grammar which backed onto open parkland we ‘gels’ were issued dire warnings, couched in very vague terms, about keeping away from the boundaries unless in groups, no going near on your own. Enough was said to make us aware of something but in our naive ways we did not know what.

I too attended an all girls school, next door to an all boys school! We even shared some facilities, our playing fields were next to each other, with no fences!

We were heavily penalised if we spoke to a boy! Even though some were pupils brothers. 🤣🤣🤣

Just a point, one many many have of us have made consistently.

Any Asylum Seeker arriving here, however they get here, provided they register their claim as soon as they step on terra firma, is not here illegally!

The means by which they arrive is “illegal”

There is no legal route or process for Asylum Seekers.

Those coming here to work, as some of you keep mentioning, are not seeking asylum, they are economic migrants, sponsored to come here, with working visa.

Those seeking asylum currently have no legal way in which to arrive, there is no visa which will allow them in here (or other countries) called “Seeking Asylum Visa”.

I wish those who repeating the mantra, those who arrive here legally are welcome, they are not Asylum Seekers, it’s truly not a difficult concept.

No legal routes into our country.
No visas granted.
No longer “illegal” once asylum claim registered.

International Asylum Law grants ALL Asylum Seekers the right to claim Asylum in ANY country of their choice.

Asylum Seeker HAVE to be in that country if their own choice in order to claim asylum.

AI source

“ In 2026, the countries receiving the highest number of new asylum seeker arrivals and first-time applicants in Europe are led by
Spain,
Italy,
France,
and Germany.

Globally, large ongoing displacement crises continue to direct the highest volumes into host nations like Iran, the United States, Turkey, and Germany.

Based on recent monthly and annual tracking data for 2026 arrivals and applications in Europe, the order of the top destination countries is:

Spain
Italy
France
Germany”

Source AI

“ In 2026, asylum seekers in European countries generally receive state-provided
housing,
basic healthcare,
and modest financial allowances while their claims are processed under increasingly standardized EU rules,

whereas in most Asian countries—which largely lack formal domestic asylum laws—they receive little to no official government assistance and rely instead on the UNHCR or NGOs.”

All of you, without exception are entitled to your views/beliefs/opinions, and freely express them.

Doesn’t change facts !

It’s may not be right or what we want, it’s a worry, but please please look at the facts

This country faces far far more challenges than Asylum Seekers.

Silvershadow

It was ever thus MartavTaurus. Growing up in the sixties at an all girls grammar which backed onto open parkland we ‘gels’ were issued dire warnings, couched in very vague terms, about keeping away from the boundaries unless in groups, no going near on your own. Enough was said to make us aware of something but in our naive ways we did not know what.

Oh goodness, did you go to the same school as me? 😲
Dire warnings about going near the fence and punishment if you did. Of course, we met the boys going home on the public buses anyway.

MartavTaurus

Aveline

I saw a documentary about NZ once. In it migrants live in a nice sort of camp and receive information and training including language teaching on NZ life and civic expectations. Eventually they are helped to find work and a home outside the camp. Surely this sort of thing could happen here for approved irregular migrants.

I guess the thing is that NZ has to manage their migrants in miniscule numbers compared with Europe. So it's a far easier task. It's a good plan, but would be nigh on unworkable here due to the vast quantity needing support.

Most illegal immigrants are those who have overstayed their visas and disappeared into the black economy.

Being remote, asylum seekers arrive by plane rather than boat but, of course, the original New Zealanders arrived by sea in canoes! We had an excellent talk on this by the children's headmaster years ago who was himself a New Zealander.

It was ever thus MartavTaurus. Growing up in the sixties at an all girls grammar which backed onto open parkland we ‘gels’ were issued dire warnings, couched in very vague terms, about keeping away from the boundaries unless in groups, no going near on your own. Enough was said to make us aware of something but in our naive ways we did not know what.

Aveline

I saw a documentary about NZ once. In it migrants live in a nice sort of camp and receive information and training including language teaching on NZ life and civic expectations. Eventually they are helped to find work and a home outside the camp. Surely this sort of thing could happen here for approved irregular migrants.

I guess the thing is that NZ has to manage their migrants in miniscule numbers compared with Europe. So it's a far easier task. It's a good plan, but would be nigh on unworkable here due to the vast quantity needing support.

Silvershadow

We also have to bear in mind that headteachers are female as well as male. Groups of misogynistic men will take no notice of female headteachers even if they did try to move them on. The police is the answer here.

Indeed. Headteachers do not have the power to deal with any person on a public highway, its not up to them to move anyone on. A female headteacher is particularly vulnerable outside the school gates, sadly.
I often used the services of our burly groundsman on our gates, other schools employ security, but all this comes at a cost. There are code words to use to alert the police. To say anyone just standing there, hanging around, is a prospective paedophile would not be right.

Sunshinegirls

*Andy Burnham says wealthy areas must take more illegal immigrants, not just poor areas. He really doesn’t get it, does he? (Copied from X PC)*

This is my point we don't want anymore Mega Boat migrants full stop. Not in poor areas and not in wealthy areas.

Correction! you not we Please don’t speak for others

MartavTaurus

I'm almost sure that a Head Teacher or teacher has no power to move unwanted people hanging outside the school gates on. In my experience you can only deal with removing people from inside the gates on school property.

No, but they could work with the police to do it.

We also have to bear in mind that headteachers are female as well as male. Groups of misogynistic men will take no notice of female headteachers even if they did try to move them on. The police is the answer here.

Absolutely a Headteachers job is to run school and safeguarding is one aspect of the job.

If any men, of whatever nationality or immigration status was observed loitering in and around schools they would follow protocol and also most likely contact the police to enforce the law.

MartavTaurus

I'm almost sure that a Head Teacher or teacher has no power to move unwanted people hanging outside the school gates on. In my experience you can only deal with removing people from inside the gates on school property.

A headteachers job is to run a school, not to police leering migrants at the school gates. That’s for the police to do.

From my understanding of knowing someone who works in this field, the women and children are housed first - not the men. They are seen as less as a security threat. All of the detained migrants receive mental and physical support from the local NHS trust

As an aside, what is a 'wealthy' area? I wouldn't consider myself to live in a wealthy area yet I've just been on holiday and could buy two houses for what our house is worth and the area seemed much leafier and safer. It is all just divisive language and as a grown up, I'm getting a bit fed up of it all. Most people are the same, they want secure housing, a job, food on the table, a happy loving family. Migration has nothing to with this.

Found it - it’s a programme for the quota of refugees that they take in so completely regulated arrivals. At first read through it looks really interesting

www.google.com/search?q=do+new+zealand+have+camps+for+rducating+migrsnts&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari#lfId=ChxjMe

Thats what puzzled me - how did they get there?

These were not invited. Goodness knows how they got there. They looked like Pacific islanders from what I remember.

With not either

My understanding is that NZ has a skills based migration policy either migrants almost certainly having a job offer to come to.

What sort of migrants were these?

I saw a documentary about NZ once. In it migrants live in a nice sort of camp and receive information and training including language teaching on NZ life and civic expectations. Eventually they are helped to find work and a home outside the camp. Surely this sort of thing could happen here for approved irregular migrants.

Good post Dickens.
Successful integration has to be built on mutual respect. ALL migrants, wherever they might hail from, should comply with our norms of conduct. Some of their cultural values, without stamping out their identity, must change straightaway if social cohesion is to be achieved.

Dickens

Around 10/11 years ago I saw the tail-end of a snippet from a news bulletin - a journalist interviewed a migrant emerging from one of Germany's mandatory Integration Courses.

Germany's Integration Act has legally mandated these courses. "Refusing to attend or failing to accept core constitutional principles (like women's rights and religious freedom) resulted in cutbacks to social benefits and the denial of permanent residency."

"Footage of newcomers rejecting gender equality became central to political campaigns. It directly fueled the rise of the right-wing populist party, Alternative for Germany (AfD), and forced mainstream political parties to adopt much tougher stances on border control and cultural assimilation."

The 'student'/migrant I saw being interviewed was a young male from an obvious Patriarchal society (not sure exactly where he was from because I missed that initial part of the interview).

He quite clearly did not accept the authority or autonomy of women in society. He continually shook his head, "No, no" he said when asked if he would acknowledge this principle. How this would play out if he was granted leave to remain in Germany - remains to be seen.

Of course, he's just one migrant among thousands of others who may well feel quite differently, tho' there might be those who would pretend to accept Western democracy's core tenets when it became obvious that their future in Germany depended on it.

This is what people are referring to when they talk about cultural differences. Personally, I think it is essential that this aspect of immigration is not dismissed nor brushed under the carpet. It's really a question of scale/numbers, but you cannot, on the one hand, actively campaign against the Patriarchy, as the Left tend to do (and I say this as a Left-leaning person), and on the other hand ignore, or refuse to debate, the effect of how-ever-many numbers of young men with such Conservative Patriarchal beliefs will have on their community for fear of being seen as bigoted.

Sociologists and politicians have been debating this for over a decade. They acknowledge the tension exists, but are polarised about the solution. One conclusion is that a refusal to accept women's autonomy results in isolated, parallel societies, and worse. This is not multi-culturalism, it's not a recognition of respect for different faiths or cultures.

Just how widespread this is, I've no idea. My own (limited), anecdotal, experience with those individuals from different cultures has been positive. But that's not the case for everyone. And it only takes one horrendous assault for the issue to raise further questions.

My point is that it has to be acknowledged that there will be numbers (unknown) of young males holding cultural values instilled from birth that are in direct opposition to our own. This is, I believe, what people are concerned about when they talk about hundreds of young male asylum seekers wandering aimlessly around their town or village (leafy or otherwise) with nothing to do. It would be abnormal for any demographic, regardless of where they are from.

*(quoted text is from Google AI)*

That is a good post. I was on holiday and having a sea swim and got talking to a man doing the same. His work involved close contact with illegal immigrants. He said the men put their own comfort first before the women and children. They came a distinct second, so very different from the decency of our own men. That is why some are so fearful of what is changing here.
It does seem that some just cannot see the dangers, until it is too late.